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Gentlemen, could you please supply us with the various light output rating on the various models so we can better make adequate judgements as to what we need. Specifically, LUMENS... Thank You...
I can give exact Lumen outputs of our fixtures, but you must be aware of the differences when comparing LED to conventional bulb technologies. At present, the total lumen output of LED's will be considerably lower than some bulbs. This however does NOT mean though the total light output is less.
The term 'Lumen' refers to the total amount of light produced at the source i.e. the bulb or the LED. Our LED products, whilst lower in Lumen value, use patented optical lenses placed over each LED to focus and magnify the light produced by upto 500%. Therefore, by emitting a lower value of Lumens, the product still emits a very high value of LUX. LUX is the total amount of light falling on a surface at a set distance from the light. Therefore this is what we consider the USEFUL light output. Unfortunately our competitors blindly quote the bulb manufacturers figures rather than testing their own fixtures and this does not help when trying to accurately compare like for like.
To give an example of how Lumen figures can be mis-interpreted; a bulb rated to 10000 Lumens, is placed in a fixture, and the lens is then painted black so no light exits the fixture at all. The fixture is still rated to 10000 Lumens, even though no light is being produced from the fixture.
For you to make a better judgement on comparisons to bulb technology, we have tested and compared all of our products against coventional lighting technologies. For example, our best seller, the 2010 series in white, is equivalent to a 50w HID Xenon lamp. The same series in blue, completely blows away the competition in blue, since we dont utilize filters, which as stated in a previous thread, dramatically cuts down on the light output by filtering out all the colors of the spectrum apart from the blue!
One competitor has sent their lights for testing against ours to a test laboratory in Florida we both use, called Imanna. A number of light tests were conducted but this particular competitor has chosen to only publish 1 set of figures that puts their fixture, forgive the pun, 'in a better light'. These results give an output reading for a single light source. However OceanLED lights have multiple light sources, so when using these test results it does not help to understand who is brighter. There are over 20 ways of measuring light accurately, all valid to understand and evaluate light for certain purposes but rather than try to baffle brains, OceanLED decided to test their lights in a simple test that our customers could easily understand and make it possible for competitors to do the same.
For an easy relatively easy to understand example, a Ferrari goes 0-60 slower than a Motorbike, but the bike uses less power. OceanLED uses the motorbike methodology, in otherwords, by using a smaller engine and better aerodynamics the bike goes faster more efficiently. OceanLED uses less light more efficiently for the same, if not better results.
OceanLED underwater light recommended comparisions are as follows;
X520 and 1010 series are equivalent to an 80 watt Halogen underwater light
1520 series are equivalent to a 35 watt Xenon underwater light
2010 series are equivalent to a 50 watt Xenon underwater light
3010 series are equivalent to a 150 HID/ Metal Halide underwater light
4010 series has no current equivalent competitor.
I read alot about LED being better than Xenon and Halogen, then read that Ocean LED was the best for many reasons. I bought the 2010 and my buddy bought the Abyss LED model S1206, both in white. The Ocean LED is rated at 12,000 LUX at 10,000 Kelvin and the Abyss S1206 is rated at 750 lumens at 9,000 Kelvin. I spent $3,000 and he spent $600 and mine are just BARELY brighter than his when our boats are tied up side by side! They both look about the same super-white in the real world.
You can say what you like about lux, lumens, etc and how there is no "fair" way to compare but to the lay person what it boils down to is brightness behind the boat in a given water clarity situation. While Ocean LED quality is far superior with all it's classifications, it is simply not significantly brighter at all than the much less expensive lights from Abyss. For bragging rights on the water, it goes to the guy who got the most bang for the buck, and that's my friend with the Abyss. As much as I've bragged on Ocean Led and their quality, most of my friends are now buying Abyss lights for their boats after spending time on the water seeing them side-by-side in a real world comparison. Some have kidded that I must be NUTS to have spent 5 times as much as him and not have a vastly different result/effect. I try not to think that way. Hopefully his will fill with water or crap out in some way, shifting the focus to quality (or lack thereof) more than actual light output but I am not holding my breath!
I read alot about LED being better than Xenon and Halogen, then read that Ocean LED was the best for many reasons. I bought the 2010 and my buddy bought the Abyss LED model S1206, both in white. The Ocean LED is rated at 12,000 LUX at 10,000 Kelvin and the Abyss S1206 is rated at 750 lumens at 9,000 Kelvin. I spent $3,000 and he spent $600 and mine are just BARELY brighter than his when our boats are tied up side by side! They both look about the same super-white in the real world.
You can say what you like about lux, lumens, etc and how there is no "fair" way to compare but to the lay person what it boils down to is brightness behind the boat in a given water clarity situation. While Ocean LED quality is far superior with all it's classifications, it is simply not significantly brighter at all than the much less expensive lights from Abyss. For bragging rights on the water, it goes to the guy who got the most bang for the buck, and that's my friend with the Abyss. As much as I've bragged on Ocean Led and their quality, most of my friends are now buying Abyss lights for their boats after spending time on the water seeing them side-by-side in a real world comparison. Some have kidded that I must be NUTS to have spent 5 times as much as him and not have a vastly different result/effect. I try not to think that way. Hopefully his will fill with water or crap out in some way, shifting the focus to quality (or lack thereof) more than actual light output but I am not holding my breath!
Just my $.02.
We find this report quite alarming, as our 2010 series is certainly brighter than all the Abyss product range.
The Abyss S1206 technical details state that their light is 24 watts with a 1.3 amp draw at 12 volts. This does not make sense because the calculation of 1.3 multiplied by 12 equals 15.6 watts, not 24 watts? The claim of 750 Lumens output is quite feasible however if using ultra high quality LEDs. Obviously the build quality of our product we consider superior as we have designed and manufactured every part of the light ourselves from the beginning whereas many underwater lighting companies like Abyss buy pond / fountain lights made in the China and have simply applied them for use on boats.
Could you please let us know the following details as we would like to get to the bottom of this apparent problem and if need be we would like to send one of our engineers out to your boat to trouble shoot.
We need to know;
1. Light model and style
2. Serial numbers of the lights and drivers.
3. The dealership you bought them from.
4. Your boats make and model
5. Voltage of the system, 12/24vDC?
6. How many lights do you have on the boat?
7. Are they all run off one breaker?
8. Where you are located.
We can see you are new member to the Hull Truth as of yesterday and we are keen to provide good customer support through all channels for our existing and potential customers.
If at all possible I would like to get your light problems investigated before the weekend so you can blast your friends lights ‘out of the water’!.
OceanLED, I have no doubt whatsoever to the incredible quality and design of your products, as the many certifications confirm. I do not profess to know anything about light construction, all I know is how they compare in the real world side by side. My only issue is that in my experience the two (2) 2010 white thru hull Ocean LED's that I bought from my local Ocean LED dealer are not significantly brighter than my friend's two (2) White S1206 Abyss when our boats are tied side by side. Mine are both run on the same circuit, wired for 24v with some nice heavy 12/2 boat cable on a 25' run to the power source. I will get the actual numbers off the drivers, etc for you and call tomorrow with the rest of the info you requested. Should I ask for anyone specific?
If you could call our USA office and ask for our techincal department, they will be able to run through some troubleshooting problems and get back to you with a solution.
OceanLED, I have no doubt whatsoever to the incredible quality and design of your products, as the many certifications confirm. I do not profess to know anything about light construction, all I know is how they compare in the real world side by side. My only issue is that in my experience the two (2) 2010 white thru hull Ocean LED's that I bought from my local Ocean LED dealer are not significantly brighter than my friend's two (2) White S1206 Abyss when our boats are tied side by side. Mine are both run on the same circuit, wired for 24v with some nice heavy 12/2 boat cable on a 25' run to the power source. I will get the actual numbers off the drivers, etc for you and call tomorrow with the rest of the info you requested. Should I ask for anyone specific?
Thank you for your interest.
can we see pics of light mounting on the two of these boats? where are you located? (what state?)
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RiverRat58, If they (Ocean led) is willing to see first hand what your talking about why not let them. Let them do a side by side to make shure what you say is true and post back the results with pics... And IF your right maybe they will make good.
Sorry so long since my last post! I got in touch with Ocean LED and they were very interested in my thoughts and making sure that I am getting the most from my LED's. After some research, apparently the drivers for my lights are not up to the very latest technology so Ocean LED is going to send me some updated drivers! Amazing customer support, not that I ever had any doubt.
I live in Louisiana and we boat in mostly amber/brown colored freshwater lakes and rivers where light simply cannot penetrate nearly as far as clear blue offshore/coastal waters. I'll let you guys know after I get the new drivers installed and hopefully do another raft-up with my buddy that has those "other" lights!
river rat one question, are your lights submerged deeper than the other's?
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extreme racing G-127
2008 ecbrc class champs, high point boat overall.
2007 chatanooga tn us champions.
2007 ecbrc class champs, high point boat overall 2007
That still doesn't explain why the Abyss lights were brighter. The Ocean LEDs should have been brighter from the beginning, unless the claims of lumens and lux are overstated.
I'm curious to hear your experience with these "new" drivers. Please post here again.
We are positive that our lights are brighter than the Abyss. The focal length of our collimators mean that the light is in a 90 degree spread, as opposed to the Abyss 50 degree. As RiverRat stated his lights went out further but only just.
We believe that you will find that the flood area of our lights were much more intense, however because of this we shall at some point this month be conducting comparison tests to check the feasability of our hypothesis. Of course pictures will be posted on here soon after.
With regards to the new driver, we are considering offering higher powered drivers as optional additional upgrades. Our LED's can be driven at 1.4 amps, however, to ensure longevity, we only run ours at 750 mA. They higher powered drivers will run at 1.25 amps, and our calculations lead us to believe that the output will be around 35-40% brighter.
RiverRat will be the deciding customer to see if we offer these drivers as an additional upgrade in the future depending on how much of a difference he can visably see. It should be noted that running with these drivers at a higher value, it is predicted that they will decrease the lifetime of the product by around 5-10%.
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