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Old 06-19-2017, 09:30 AM   #61
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That's a tough boat to run up a jetty and bulldoze all those boulders. Damage looks less than I expected.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:33 AM   #62
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My daughter and I went down to the beach a half hr after they hit the rocks and visibility was a few miles. Wind about 15 to 20 with gust to 25. Noting that should have effected that thing. Slow ferry came in just before they hit also with no weather or visibility issues. I go rowing out there quite a bit and always felt safe from them if I stayed out of the channel. Maybe not.
I agree w/the first half...those making the weather seem 'that' bad are off base. Sure it was nasty if you were in a 20' center console, but the ferry runs in much much worse.

as for the second part...I agree w/the poster that said they run reckless and without regard for the rules of the road in order to stay on schedule. They could care less if you have the right of way or not...they are not going to slow down or off course because they're just more important than you are.

I'm guessing the guy just dozed off...
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All things considered, that's one tough boat! It looks like the jetty got more damaged than the hull... speaking of which, I can only imagine what kind of bill they are going to get for that.
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:55 AM   #64
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I've never seen my gps off 'a few hundred feet'. Has that happened to everyone?
I have screen shots on here of mine being off by about 1/4 mile. GPS is just an aid, if you use it like an absolute, sooner or later your going to have problems. There are a few threads why this happens buried in THT. Part of the challenge is they are so damn accurate 99.9% of the time, many trust it implicitly.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:05 AM   #65
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I have screen shots on here of mine being off by about 1/4 mile. GPS is just an aid, if you use it like an absolute, sooner or later your going to have problems. There are a few threads why this happens buried in THT. Part of the challenge is they are so damn accurate 99.9% of the time, many trust it implicitly.
He must have been using an old chart before the jetty was built.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:40 AM   #66
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I have screen shots on here of mine being off by about 1/4 mile. GPS is just an aid, if you use it like an absolute, sooner or later your going to have problems. There are a few threads why this happens buried in THT. Part of the challenge is they are so damn accurate 99.9% of the time, many trust it implicitly.
Standard GPS maybe... but I'm sure this boat must've had heading sensors and better accuracy. Autopilot requires heading sensors.
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Standard GPS maybe... but I'm sure this boat must've had heading sensors and better accuracy. Autopilot requires heading sensors.
what in the world are you talking about? heading sensor tells you what direction the bow is pointing and does not improve location accuracy
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does anyone know what actually happened?
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what in the world are you talking about? heading sensor tells you what direction the bow is pointing and does not improve location accuracy
pretty sure that a heading sensor helps improve location accuracy
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I am pretty sure the people that really know what happened have been told to keep quiet by attorneys.
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pretty sure that a heading sensor helps improve location accuracy
How?
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Only a fool would criticize an accident like this . Easy to make fun of things you know nothing about .Vessel held up incredibly well . Glad there was no fatal injury's .
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so im thinking that in that conditions and with that size/ type of vessel there should have been more than one person involved with controlling it:
captain
watchman/ lookout
and a radar operator.

makes it even harder to understand!

unbelievable that the casualty list was not a lot bigger, but thankful that it wasnt.

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Only a fool would criticize an accident like this . Easy to make fun of things you know nothing about .Vessel held up incredibly well . Glad there was no fatal injury's .
Why is that?, passengers should not have to worry that the Capt has no idea were he is at speed, we should be thankful no one was seriously hurt and thet the capt just hit a j tty and not another boat with people on it.
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pretty sure that a heading sensor helps improve location accuracy
ummm. no. it is a heading sensor. it senses the boat's heading.

there are more advanced sensors that include other information like yaw and pitch, heave, etc. but none of them are going to tell you where in the world you are. that is what the gps sensor is for. and any functioning marine gps sensor is more than accurate enough to tell you that you're way off course well before you hit that jetty.
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Was talking to a friend today who's a marine safety consultant and he said if the tide was 6-10" higher, it would likely have ended up on the other side of the jetty and sunk. To a certain degree, the stars were aligned for that boat & crew.
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Only a fool would criticize an accident like this . Easy to make fun of things you know nothing about .Vessel held up incredibly well . Glad there was no fatal injury's .
My expectation for a coastal ferry would be 100% safety and accuracy 100% of the time. Only a fool would expect less. It's not Russian roulette.
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Was talking to a friend today who's a marine safety consultant and he said if the tide was 6-10" higher, it would likely have ended up on the other side of the jetty and sunk. To a certain degree, the stars were aligned for that boat & crew.
Plus there's a mooring field on the other side so it could have been even worse
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Only a fool would criticize an accident like this . Easy to make fun of things you know nothing about .Vessel held up incredibly well . Glad there was no fatal injury's .
wake up! No one is making fun of anything. A reasonable person can question how this could happen. We all have boats and traverse that area. Many boats are not capable of even getting out of the way of that thing at full throttle. If then can hit a jetty, they can hit a boat. Excuse me for being critical.
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there could be internal damage...
I agree but I was expecting a huge tear in the hull. A longitudinal one.
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