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Old 02-27-2017, 01:48 PM   #1
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Default Grady-White 225 handling in Vineyard Sound

Hello All,

I'm new to the forum and did some searching but didn't see the specific info I was looking for and am hoping some of you can help answer some questions I have regarding a Grady-White 225 in Vineyard Sound and how it handles the chop. I know Grady's are supposed to be designed for this type of conditions. I've been on some larger boats like a Pursuit 28' center console and a Whaler 320 outrage and am looking to see if the 225 is big enough for the bay and the changing conditions. Mainly want to make sure it's good for taking my family from N. Falmouth out to the Vineyard and around the area.

One other question I have is, how does the 225 behave with the bimini up while cruising? The hardtop is a pricey upgrade and one I prefer not to go to with this boat if possible.

Any info / shared experiences you have would be appreciated.

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I have a fair bit of time in on the GW 23 walk around and other small and medium boats in BB, VS and a bit south. Ship me a PM when convenient and happy to share some thoughts.
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Hello All,

I'm new to the forum and did some searching but didn't see the specific info I was looking for and am hoping some of you can help answer some questions I have regarding a Grady-White 225 in Vineyard Sound and how it handles the chop. I know Grady's are supposed to be designed for this type of conditions. I've been on some larger boats like a Pursuit 28' center console and a Whaler 320 outrage and am looking to see if the 225 is big enough for the bay and the changing conditions. Mainly want to make sure it's good for taking my family from N. Falmouth out to the Vineyard and around the area.

One other question I have is, how does the 225 behave with the bimini up while cruising? The hardtop is a pricey upgrade and one I prefer not to go to with this boat if possible.

Any info / shared experiences you have would be appreciated.

Thank in advance.

Most days you'll be fine . . just be back before 2pm. When the afternoon SW wind kicks in and the tide turns against the wind . . . it's an unpleasant ride even for 30ft boats. There are hulls that ride better than that grady, but there's no secret 23ft hull immune from those conditions. If you run into fog or boat at night you'll want radar. I run a 23ft boat and I've been scared badly twice in 30 years of BB bay boating . . . just watch the weather and you'll be fine with the 225.
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Get the hard top. Worth the money, when your in that chop it won't be shaking around like the Bimini. Also for resale value.
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Most days you'll be fine . . just be back before 2pm. When the afternoon SW wind kicks in and the tide turns against the wind . . . it's an unpleasant ride even for 30ft boats. There are hulls that ride better than that grady, but there's no secret 23ft hull immune from those conditions. If you run into fog or boat at night you'll want radar. I run a 23ft boat and I've been scared badly twice in 30 years of BB bay boating . . . just watch the weather and you'll be fine with the 225.
Based on your experience, what would you recommend as the smallest boat you'd go with in the bay? I love the Grady but going much bigger gets very pricey as you know. Any other boat you know of that's a step down but in your opinion still a solid boat for BB? My other option is looking used but that market seems sparse or I'm looking in the wrong place.

Thank you all for your input. Very much appreciated.
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I'm going on my 3rd season on Buzzards Bay. Every year I upgraded to a bigger boat, now I'm in a 25 and wish I had just bought this boat to begin with!

Are you gonna be mostly trailering or at a slip/mooring? I would seriously consider buying a used boat. For the money you're gonna spend on a new Grady 225 you could get something in the 24-28' range and still have more money left over in your budget. Don't forget that on top of a new boats price you'll have to add Mass sales tax and registration fees. Same with a used boat as well but depending on the price you can potentially save a good deal of out of pocket expenses with less tax and probably a boat that is already equipped with electronics too.

As far as the hard top goes, I would definitely look at a boat that has a pilothouse or at least a hard top. It'll extend your season on Buzzards Bay and make it easier for your passengers. Imo , just a Bimini without any good structure to hold to will not be ideal for Buzzards Bay.

Good luck and feel free to reach out to me as well. There's a big group of Buzzard's Bay guys on here who are very active on this forum. Good place to be.
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I grew up on a 19.6 Aquasport and spent 20 years all over Buzzards Bay and Vineyard Sound. The key is to get out early and be up wind of the SW winds then surf the slop home. You will get wet but if you think of that as just part of the summer time fun it makes it more enjoyable.

Definitely buy used!!! I would get a hard top. So yes you can use a 225 Grady in this area. You will get wet. You will bounce. And you will get a much better understanding of boatsmanship. And you will be safe. But you will not always be comfortable. Though most boats south of 40 feet get uncomfortable in BB on some days. As long as you are a "sporty" family go for it. If your wife complains about getting splashed in the face once our twice save your money and play golf.

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Spent 40+ years cruising BB and MV Sound. If you can get to a 24' Grady with a full transom or the 23' Gulfstream, you'd have more enjoyable days. We kept going up to find a bit of comfort running in these waters. As everyone said, some days are better than others and both areas can get rough.
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I'm going on my 3rd season on Buzzards Bay. Every year I upgraded to a bigger boat, now I'm in a 25 and wish I had just bought this boat to begin with!

Are you gonna be mostly trailering or at a slip/mooring? I would seriously consider buying a used boat. For the money you're gonna spend on a new Grady 225 you could get something in the 24-28' range and still have more money left over in your budget. Don't forget that on top of a new boats price you'll have to add Mass sales tax and registration fees. Same with a used boat as well but depending on the price you can potentially save a good deal of out of pocket expenses with less tax and probably a boat that is already equipped with electronics too.

As far as the hard top goes, I would definitely look at a boat that has a pilothouse or at least a hard top. It'll extend your season on Buzzards Bay and make it easier for your passengers. Imo , just a Bimini without any good structure to hold to will not be ideal for Buzzards Bay.

Good luck and feel free to reach out to me as well. There's a big group of Buzzard's Bay guys on here who are very active on this forum. Good place to be.
Thank you, great info and nice to know there are a lot of Buzzard Bay guys here. I'll be morning in our harbor in N Falmouth.

I've been on 28' Pursuits, 32' Outrage, 20' Mako's and some 19 and 20' Grady's and agree with what you guys are saying. It comes down to having the right boat that you can use to weather the rough stuff as there'll always be rough waters on BB. I just want the right boat that I can keep my family safe and as comfortable as possible.
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I grew up on a 19.6 Aquasport and spent 20 years all over Buzzards Bay and Vineyard Sound. The key is to get out early and be up wind of the SW winds then surf the slop home. You will get wet but if you think of that as just part of the summer time fun it makes it more enjoyable.

Definitely buy used!!! I would get a hard top. So yes you can use a 225 Grady in this area. You will get wet. You will bounce. And you will get a much better understanding of boatsmanship. And you will be safe. But you will not always be comfortable. Though most boats south of 40 feet get uncomfortable in BB on some days. As long as you are a "sporty" family go for it. If your wife complains about getting splashed in the face once our twice save your money and play golf.

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Ha, thanks Mike, golf doesn't do it for me. Appreciate the info.
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Had a Grady 222 center console same area for many years. More a question in that boat of getting wet than being sea worthy enough for the sound on most days. A walk around Grady would keep you dry with a hard top and the right canvas, I think the one your talking about is dual console. You'll be drier enclosed on 3 sides and on top IMHO. Afternoon SW wind driven chop when the tide is running the other way makes for the wet ride.
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I would go used and try to start with a 25' boat to increase the number of comfortable days you'll get. I prefer being on a CC when the weather is good, and my curtain package certainly helps extend my seasons. My 25' boat is much more comfortable than my 22'er was and I certainly like the idea of a full transom.
I am not affiliated with either but Bayside Marine has a 27' 2004 Grady CC with twin 200 4 strokes and an enclosure in the low $50s. That would be a great family boat and it is nice to have twins if you go south of MV. To stay even drier you may want to check out a pilothouse, Cataumet has a sweet 2520 Parker with a 2012 Yamaha 250 for about $40k. Not as heavy as the Grady and probably not as nice a ride but great "indoor" space and lots of lockable storage. (This may be set up more for fishing than family while underway, but it has great hangout space while on the hook or tied up). I love boat shopping- enjoy the process!
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Look at Regulators if you want to be in a CC. They're expensive though.
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Look at Regulators if you want to be in a CC. They're expensive though.
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Get the yamaha 225 checked for exhaust corrosion.
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Based on your experience, what would you recommend as the smallest boat you'd go with in the bay?
23 is fine. 20 is the smallest I would recommend if you are traveling any distance (islands, cuttyhunk, Tarpaulin cove). Just pick your days.

How often are you boating? who's in your crew / # of people? any kids? what are your main destinations? what's you level of experience? Do you want a cabin? or open boat? are you fishing? or cruising/beaching? do you care about getting wet or being in direct sun? does it need to be trailerable? if so what's the tow rating on your vehicle?
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23 is fine. 20 is the smallest I would recommend if you are traveling any distance (islands, cuttyhunk, Tarpaulin cove). Just pick your days.

How often are you boating? who's in your crew / # of people? any kids? what are your main destinations? what's you level of experience? Do you want a cabin? or open boat? are you fishing? or cruising/beaching? do you care about getting wet or being in direct sun? does it need to be trailerable? if so what's the tow rating on your vehicle?
I'll probably be going out a couple days a week at least. First priority for me is family when it comes to this boat. I have 2 grown kids, 25 and 28 and want them to be able to enjoy it. Fishing is secondary as my son will enjoy that. I've spent a lot of time on center consoles and some cuddy/walk around models and really think the best option for me for all around would be a dual console boat. This seems to be able to give me the flexibility I want. The boat will be put in the water at the beginning of the season, moored on my mooring in N Falmouth and taken out at the end of the season so towing isn't a concern for me.

As far as getting wet, it's a boat, you're gonna get wet. I know that when taking friends out and people not as comfortable on the water that I want the ability to keep them as dry as possible. On a flat day in BB that's easy with any boat. With mild chop it's doable too but the hardtop on a DC seems like the best option for me with the ability to put up the sides when it gets really rough.

I really like the Grady but being a first time boat owner (the other boats I've spent time on are fiends and they've been great at teaching me and letting me co-captain over the years) I want to make sure I get the most boat for my dollar and a new Grady might not be worth it to me seeing as their hardtop option alone is 15-16k. I've been looking for used Grady's and trying to find one that was professionally maintained with reasonable hours on it.

My other option is a new Robalo DC 247. It seemed very well built and powered with a Yamaha 300 which I was also looking for. When I say "seemed very well built" I have ZERO experience with that boat so I need to look into whether it's a case of "you get what you pay for" or just a case of "it's a good boat but not as high end as a Grady".

Lastly, I can't thank you all enough for how helpful you've all been. It's very cool to know we've got such a great boating community in our area.
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Good luck with your decision. IMHO there is wet and then there is WET. Some days on the CC the short 4 mile crossing from Falmouth to Oak Bluffs was too much for my guests. They didn't want to arrive at Nancy's soaked to the skin . Don't exactly know your crew's "requirements" but from experience I'd pay attention to this one.
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If you have the flexibility to go when there are good weather windows, like I try to do, a DC in that size range will suit you well. Bigger is always better but you already know that. There are many choices in DC's in that size range. Pursuit, Cobia, Robalo, and others have some very nice options. Learn what wind & conditions work best for specific trips and then plan them accordingly. I'm at the other end of BB and if I know there's going to be a strong afternoon SW wind, I won't plan a trip to the east end of the bay bc it'll be a long ride home into a stiff chop if I stay too late. Easier to run w/a following sea or beam sea than into it. If most of your boating will take you west of your mooring, your ride home will be easier than the opposite in most cases. I also keep a couple of cheap rain suits on board for those days when the NOAA guy gets the forecast wrong. Enjoy boat shopping!

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Good luck with your decision. IMHO there is wet and then there is WET. Some days on the CC the short 4 mile crossing from Falmouth to Oak Bluffs was too much for my guests. They didn't want to arrive at Nancy's soaked to the skin . Don't exactly know your crew's "requirements" but from experience I'd pay attention to this one.
Thank you, I'll do what my friends have done which is essentially make sure people have towels and change of clothes if our destination is MV. My favorite as well as my family's in Oak Bluffs is "The Lookout". My favorite destination after biking 50+ miles around the island. Just give me a Lookout Larger and a Lobstah roll and I'm a very happy guy. Of course after showering and changing up at the now "Summer Camp" or the showers at the end of the pier.
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OP: Do you like Downeast boats? These Seaways are pretty cool and very economical to run/maintain.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2012/Seaway-24-3044212/Milford/CT/United-States#.WLWMwCIo7qA
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