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Old 01-05-2017, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default Regulators changing fishing rules to protect endangered tuna

i saw this earlier today:


PORTLAND, Maine (AP) - The federal government is changing some of the rules about how fishermen harvest tuna in an attempt to protect one of the species.
The National Marine Fisheries Service has said the rule change is designed to steer fishermen who catch yellowfin tuna and swordfish via longline away from bluefin tuna.


Globally, Atlantic bluefin tuna are listed as endangered by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. Domestically, the U.S. government considers the species to be overfished. Fishing boats sometimes catch them incidentally while targeting other commercial fish species.
The fisheries service said the new rule will modify the way the agency handles the distribution of quota transfers in the longline tuna fishery. The service said flexibility will improve fishing opportunities while limiting the number of bluefin tuna that are incidentally caught.
The rules will also assist with the goal of accounting for all bluefin tuna that do get caught, the service said.
The new rules go into effect Jan. 28.
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have a link? how are thet going to stop a non-discriminate method from catching a particular species?
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have a link? how are thet going to stop a non-discriminate method from catching a particular species?
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Whisper sweet nothings to the bait before it goes over the side.
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If we really knew how many Giant Bluefin get thrown over the side of Long line boats we'd probably puke.

Guess why the average long lined Giant is considerably larger than on Rod & Reel? If you answered "culling", you're right !! They play the upgrade and cull game while the others sink to the bottom.

I blame the rules of the Fisheries morons more than the fisherman themselves.
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If we really knew how many Giant Bluefin get thrown over the side of Long line boats we'd probably puke.

Guess why the average long lined Giant is considerably larger than on Rod & Reel? If you answered "culling", you're right !! They play the upgrade and cull game while the others sink to the bottom.

I blame the rules of the Fisheries morons more than the fisherman themselves.
Blame the fishermen because they don't give a shit about the resource. They're culling over 5 pounds or less. They do not give a shit one bit.
These are the same ones crying poor and begging for federal handouts when they're strangled more by regulation, then at the end of the day, wonder what happened to it all?
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Blame the fishermen because they don't give a shit about the resource. They're culling over 5 pounds or less. They do not give a shit one bit.
These are the same ones crying poor and begging for federal handouts when they're strangled more by regulation, then at the end of the day, wonder what happened to it all?
Tough to cull bluefins because, as a result of this now 1 year old amendment 7 BS, they now have multiple cameras on each and every longline boat. They are forced to retain every dead giant they catch. It would be impossible to boat one tuna, and dump another with the camera running. Each boat is allocated a share of the PLL quota at the beginning of the season (1-8 ish fish per year) once they incidentally catch their quota, they have to tie up for the rest of the year or lease quota from boats that aren't fishing, which there isn't a lot of. For a fish, that in recent years, is essentially worthless $$ wise, and often leasable quota goes for near what the fish are worth on the market. Longliners are now even more careful than before about avoiding the bluefins, and drastically underharvested their quota compared to years prior. This eliminates the "indiscriminate fishery" theory right away. It also reduced participation in the fleet, and put many high seas boats out of the atlantic or out of business in general. Now our capacity to even come close to catching our swordfish quota is in jeopardy, and we could, in the future, be forced to give it up to countries with the capacity to do so. Most of these countries export their fish back to us. So, by screwing our domestic fleet over and over again, all we do essentially is outsource our commercial fishing to countries less accountable than our own.
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its the wave of the future
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Tough to cull bluefins because, as a result of this now 1 year old amendment 7 BS, they now have multiple cameras on each and every longline boat. They are forced to retain every dead giant they catch. It would be impossible to boat one tuna, and dump another with the camera running. Each boat is allocated a share of the PLL quota at the beginning of the season (1-8 ish fish per year) once they incidentally catch their quota, they have to tie up for the rest of the year or lease quota from boats that aren't fishing, which there isn't a lot of. For a fish, that in recent years, is essentially worthless $$ wise, and often leasable quota goes for near what the fish are worth on the market. Longliners are now even more careful than before about avoiding the bluefins, and drastically underharvested their quota compared to years prior. This eliminates the "indiscriminate fishery" theory right away. It also reduced participation in the fleet, and put many high seas boats out of the atlantic or out of business in general. Now our capacity to even come close to catching our swordfish quota is in jeopardy, and we could, in the future, be forced to give it up to countries with the capacity to do so. Most of these countries export their fish back to us. So, by screwing our domestic fleet over and over again, all we do essentially is outsource our commercial fishing to countries less accountable than our own.
How many of those cameras have been audited? How many are even working?
Just like the monitors on the draggers, they do their best but they gotta sleep too.

Don't ever think any of these regulations stop the motivated ones from doing exactly what they want.

Carlos proves that
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How many of those cameras have been audited? How many are even working?
Just like the monitors on the draggers, they do their best but they gotta sleep too.

Don't ever think any of these regulations stop the motivated ones from doing exactly what they want.

Carlos proves that
Each hard drive is sent in after every trip. You cannot fish unless your camera system is functional and you send a hard drive in with your logbook. As far as I know all of them are audited because they are all sent in. This is in addition to having better observer coverage than any other fleet in the Atlantic, and mandatory 100% coverage in certain areas.

Carlos is a good example- wrong fishery though. That fishery was allowed to dig their own grave thanks to the government, and catch share programs implemented by left coast enviro-wackjobs. Cause for another discussion however.
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Sounds like the PLL dug their own graves as well. And the cameras are filling in the whole.


Cant bitch about the punishment after doing the crime.


Couldn't live within the rules so they broke and cheated them.
Now they are bitching because the rules got changed so they are not so easy to cheat and get around..


You will find very few outside that industry that will show any sympathy..

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Sounds like the PLL dug their own graves as well. And the cameras are filling in the whole.


Cant bitch about the punishment after doing the crime.


Couldn't live within the rules so they broke and cheated them.
Now they are bitching because the rules got changed so they are not so easy to cheat and get around..


You will find very few outside that industry that will show any sympathy..
Yes, and very few outside the industry who have a semblance of a clue as to the reality of the US pelagic longline fleet.

Also, what crime was the fleet being punished for? They were fishing well within their regulatory framework and then some.

I've watched someone gaff a short Bluefin on national television and let it go in the 0 bycatch, no dead discard fishery.

Believe it or not must fisherman don't mind the cameras as much as they minded the individual Bluefin quota scheme.

The bottom line is that we should support our domestic fleet as much as possible, and that taking their hooks out of the water does little to curb overfishing because the fish are simply being caught elsewhere. We are outsourcing our fishing just like we outsource manufacturing in this country due to burdensome regulations.
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We do support our domestic fleet. Just not the indiscriminate parts.


Culling or high grading has been happening as long as the fishery has existed. Denying it is ridiculous. Pointing fingers at others to deflect blame does not change the facts. The cameras are there to help control/Eliminate it.. You want tighter regs for other user groups, lobby it with facts, figures, and evidence.


THT does not make the regs. We just happen to agree with them (For the most part) in this case..
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How many of those cameras have been audited? How many are even working?
Just like the monitors on the draggers, they do their best but they gotta sleep too.

Don't ever think any of these regulations stop the motivated ones from doing exactly what they want.

Carlos proves that
Carlos got caught!
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Tough to cull bluefins because, as a result of this now 1 year old amendment 7 BS, they now have multiple cameras on each and every longline boat. They are forced to retain every dead giant they catch. It would be impossible to boat one tuna, and dump another with the camera running. Each boat is allocated a share of the PLL quota at the beginning of the season (1-8 ish fish per year) once they incidentally catch their quota, they have to tie up for the rest of the year or lease quota from boats that aren't fishing, which there isn't a lot of. For a fish, that in recent years, is essentially worthless $$ wise, and often leasable quota goes for near what the fish are worth on the market. Longliners are now even more careful than before about avoiding the bluefins, and drastically underharvested their quota compared to years prior. This eliminates the "indiscriminate fishery" theory right away. It also reduced participation in the fleet, and put many high seas boats out of the atlantic or out of business in general. Now our capacity to even come close to catching our swordfish quota is in jeopardy, and we could, in the future, be forced to give it up to countries with the capacity to do so. Most of these countries export their fish back to us. So, by screwing our domestic fleet over and over again, all we do essentially is outsource our commercial fishing to countries less accountable than our own.
I personally think that by catch and dumping is a major problem. If there was only a system to sell /trade by catch via some mechanism I think that the fisheries, fishermen and consumers will benefit. I don't know much about how it works but enough to know that it is a waste of the oceans.
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Carlos got caught!
Is he in jail?
Have any of his boats stopped fishing?
Has any of his quota been taken away?
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