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Old 03-22-2010, 08:01 PM
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Hi All,

I am about to buy my first boat. The boat I looked at seems to be a good boat so I think I am going to buy it. I asked the owner if he had the title to the boat and the trailer.
He said he didn't have it on hand and would have to look for it. What happens if he can't find the title??

He has the boat registered in NH right now, I saw the NH registration, but lives in MA. There are no plates on the trailer.

So what do I need to have to register the trailer in Massachusetts?
What do I need to register the boat in Massachusetts?

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Old 03-22-2010, 09:05 PM
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here's the link to what's required for a boat over 14'.
http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dle/instr...spage.htm#Boat

the way i read it if you have a copy of the nh registration you don't need a title.

can't help you with the trailer

one tip i was given is in terms of the sales tax 6.25%.

have seperate bills of sales itemizing the boat,engine and electronics. you pay sales tax on the boat not everything. if the total cost of the boat/electronics/engine is 30,000 break it down to actual value 12k for the outboard , 2 k for electronics and 16k for the boat hull. you pay sales tax on boat hull only at 16k instead of 30,000 saving over $800 in sales tax .which you could put towards fishing gear.

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Hmm ok. So the trailer, motor, boat, and the electronics etc were $2,500.
So have the seller make up a price for just the actual hull and that is what I have to pay sales tax on?
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So have the seller make up a price for just the actual hull and that is what I have to pay sales tax on?

Correct and a separate bill of sale for the trailer.
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The MA RMV took my trailer Title (new) and said any further sales of the trailer are done by simple "bill of sale".
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Ok, good. So I can use the Bill of Sale to register the trailer, because I don't think the seller has a title for the trailer.
How about the boat, can I use the sellers registration to register the boat?? From what I read on the Mass Environmental Website it looks like I can. Am I reading this correctly? I highlighted the important part in red.


To register a vessel, you need to provide:
• Bill of Sale (name and address of seller)
• Sales tax form (ST-6) or (ST-6E) (you can pay sales tax online at www.dor.state.ma.us)
• Pencil tracing of Hull ID Number (serial number)*
• Required fees (see fee schedule on next page)
• Properly completed and signed registration application
* If your vessel was built prior to 1972 or does not have a proper 12-digit Hull Identification Number (HIN), a vessel inspection may be required. Click here to read more information on HINs.
If the vessel is 14 ft. or greater in length, you also need to provide in addition to the documents above:
• The title** or, if vessel is documented with the U.S. Coast Guard, Termination of Documentation (“Deletion Letter”) from the U.S. Coast Guard
** If the vessel is purchased new from a registered boat dealer or department store, an original “Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin” is required in lieu of title. When a boat is purchased from a private party from a non-titled state, the previous owner's registration is required in lieu of title.

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I registered my untitled boat in NH for a year, then went to Boston the next year with my prior NH boat registration and registered my boat in MA. They let me keep my NH registration numbers on the hull, and I onloy had to change the NH to MA. Of course, I had to pay MA. taxes, but unlike the rgeistry of motor vehicles, they only tax you based on the bill of sale amount, not a "book value".
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I registered my untitled boat in NH for a year, then went to Boston the next year with my prior NH boat registration and registered my boat in MA. They let me keep my NH registration numbers on the hull, and I onloy had to change the NH to MA. Of course, I had to pay MA. taxes, but unlike the rgeistry of motor vehicles, they only tax you based on the bill of sale amount, not a "book value".
How do you do this?
Can you use the boat in MA and have the trailer reg in MA?
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The MA RMV took my trailer Title (new) and said any further sales of the trailer are done by simple "bill of sale".

That's odd. I registered and titled my new trailer with the manufacturer's certificate of origin and I was issued a new title in my name for the trailer.
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Actually, my trailer was registered in MA, but my boat was registered in NH. Both MA. and NH. allow each other's registered boats to use their waters. Technically, the registration of your boat in MA. is supposed to be on the basis of how long your boat is kept within the state of MA. (as that also determines the $$$ tax). Another real example was a boat of mine, registered in NH., then not registered in MA. for 4 years. In order to register it in MA., I had to pay the sales tax and 4 years of back tax fees for the time I owned it, stored it in MA. during the non-boating season (and actually during much of the boating season).

Again, if you did not have a title from the other state (in this case NH) you had to provide a prior state's registration. In fact, the last copy of that boat's NH registration was from 4 years ago. When I could not furnish the bill of sale for it, they had me fill out a bill of sale to myself based on when I bought it about 6 years ago. That was not the MA. boat registration on Causeway St., but the state tax office (a few blocks from the Causeway Registration.

The good part of dealing directly at Boston is I received the title for that boat two days later.

With any new trailer they take the certficate of origin and replace it with a title. If you buy an untitled trailer, you need to have that trailer's prior registration. Trailer registrations are based on trailer capacity. Trailers that were prior to titles needed, were often registered as "homemades".
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You are not required to buy a title for a trailer in Mass, hard to believe in this state, but true.

I have run into a problem b/c I did not buy a title when I registered my last trailer. Now I have sold it to a guy in CT and they REQUIRE a title to register a trailer (but not the boat, go figure...)

So, I had to go back the the RMV and order a title for a trailer I have just sold, $75.00, Thanks CT...
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