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I dont know anything about the guy you are asking about, but I believe Captn Terry Handrigan and I were neighborhood friends growing up.
I remember his family being in the business. It was 30 years ago anyway. I
I watched the show the other night and thats not who I thought it was. Maybe a famly member ??
It just ain't right to get regulated out of business. Some of the regs are even a farse. Sheer stupidity! It ain't right to ruin a industry that supplies a great food source. Lets hope we never have to depend on people like this for a major food supply in a hurry because you will have starving to death people. It should be mandated the fishing industry stay healthy by the government. Not wiped out!.
They've overfished and come close to killing their own 'golden goose'. THAT'S THE STUPIDITY, not the regulations. They're wiping themselves out, don't be so stupid as to think otherwise.
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I have a good friend who lost his job in the computer industry. Nobody wrote articles about his "right to work" or cried any tears for him. It's part of every industries evolution.
As far as I'm concerned, losing another dragger is a win for everyone, especially over the long term.
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They've overfished and come close to killing their own 'golden goose'. THAT'S THE STUPIDITY, not the regulations. They're wiping themselves out, don't be so stupid as to think otherwise.
At one point, there were enough draggers to catch fish at a rate than the reproduction rate could reproduce and left a declining stock. That part was true in the past. That is not possable under current regulation. however, the situation was true in the past and draggers were catching fish, the blame should really be put on the reason why the fish could not repopulate. The inability to repopulate is not and was not the fault of the draggermen. This is the misconception of many people because they didn't know. all they know is the dragger caught fish so if you get ride of draggers , then fish can't be caught. You and eveyone else who think draggers are the reason for no fish should investigate how polution effects reproduction. There was also a major harvest allowed by the US to Russian factory ships that interrrupted the food chain which is a major part of the lack of fish on the east coast. no feed fish in the cycle can cause there whole chain to collapse. I would look at the millions of metric tons of feed fish taken by the Russians as a reason For no sport fish arounf than some dragger accidently caught 900 stripers in a by catch. The polution destroyed the billions of eggs that would have been stripers for everone to catch. Blame that to. The same senario can be used for plenty of sort after spieces by both commercial and recreational. Did you know, these draggers supply a food source for human consuption? You know,as in people eat fish.
I have a good friend who lost his job in the computer industry. Nobody wrote articles about his "right to work" or cried any tears for him. It's part of every industries evolution.
WELL said!! I've often wonderd about that point. When asked about why rec guys are so limited on Fluke and Stripers in NY when commercial guys are taking 1000's of tons every dam day, the NY DEC always tells me "Oh, they are doing it for a living, so we have to protect their jobs somewhat". That's BULLSH__TT!! Knowbody said people cna't build their own cheap custom PC's at home so Costco can sell them instead and make money at it!!
Computer techs are unemplyed because a flooded job market, too many techs not enough work. same happend with aviation techs, (I am one) commercial fishermen are pushed around by big government and socialist regulations, only to have our fish imported from other countries.(icelandic cod anyone?) the fedral government would rather see a fleet of gigantic proscess vessels pait trawl the quota and unload packaged fish stix and Mcfish sandwiches then let a cottage industry supply the countries fish source. the half a dozen or so process boats are far easier to regulate than the little guy.
and then you got the elitest rod and reel fisherman who hides behind conservation but would kill 100 juvinile bluefin tuna if he could. he thinks rod and reel fishermen could support the countries fish eating needs......wrong, you cant even catch a real tuna you think you can suport the country? please, your pissed cause the commercial guy is doing what you wish you could and like a kid who wants the other kids toy youll cry to mommy.
all the commercial fishermen I know(and I know quite a few) learned from their mistakes and actually support conservation by spending time and money developing and testing selective gear(google Ruhl Trawl) and brining biologists on trips to count bycatch and biomass.
if you watch the show you saw all the BS capt, joel had to go through just to leave the dock! attacking your local fisherman and supporting "conservitist causes" IMHO is like burning down a farmers cornfeild.
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People can't eat what isn't there. That scare tactic/excuse doesn't justify the depletion. Regardless of source the population isn't sufficient. Fixing it will be difficult, certainly on those benefiting from fishing the waters.
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People can't eat what isn't there. That scare tactic/excuse doesn't justify the depletion. Regardless of source the population isn't sufficient. Fixing it will be difficult, certainly on those benefiting from fishing the waters.
Well, in the same token then, there is no need stiffen regulations then if nothing is there.
The scare tactic/excuse seems to have you believing there is a fish stock crissis going on so it is working to keep agencies open for employment for you to help pay for through fees and taxes. I'm sure they are looking for many more ways to get money out of you too!
WELL said!! I've often wonderd about that point. When asked about why rec guys are so limited on Fluke and Stripers in NY when commercial guys are taking 1000's of tons every dam day, the NY DEC always tells me "Oh, they are doing it for a living, so we have to protect their jobs somewhat". That's BULLSH__TT!! Knowbody said people cna't build their own cheap custom PC's at home so Costco can sell them instead and make money at it!!
I would love to see what the landings were in 1969 compared to 2009.
Knowbody said people cna't build their own cheap custom PC's at home so Costco can sell them instead and make money at it!!
No, the market does that for them. i used to build my own pc's. I stopped building low cost ones because I can buy complete systems from dell for less than the cost of the parts. I still build servers, but nobody really sells those at cut-throat pricing.
The same thing is true with fishing, we just don't care. If I add up the cost of all the fish I catch, ot is far cheaper to just go to the supermarket.
But what galls me about the draggers and longliners and gillnetters is the shear and utter waste. We have all seen the miles of floating dead bycatch thrown off draggers. You can even find videos on youtube of stripers floating for miles behind a dragger dumping the bycatch.
How can that be condoned in any sense of sustainable fishery?
Let them make a living if they can, but make them responsible for the dead discards. I'll bet you see gear and tactics change very quickly if you do that. You will probably even employ more actual fisherman since rod and reel is ore labor intensive.
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No, the market does that for them. i used to build my own pc's. I stopped building low cost ones because I can buy complete systems from dell for less than the cost of the parts. I still build servers, but nobody really sells those at cut-throat pricing.
The same thing is true with fishing, we just don't care. If I add up the cost of all the fish I catch, ot is far cheaper to just go to the supermarket.
But what galls me about the draggers and longliners and gillnetters is the shear and utter waste. We have all seen the miles of floating dead bycatch thrown off draggers. You can even find videos on youtube of stripers floating for miles behind a dragger dumping the bycatch.
How can that be condoned in any sense of sustainable fishery?
Let them make a living if they can, but make them responsible for the dead discards. I'll bet you see gear and tactics change very quickly if you do that. You will probably even employ more actual fisherman since rod and reel is ore labor intensive.
Right! You got it. If it gets to the boat and the dragger can sell it somehow and make money. Let them. Don't throw dead fish back into the ocean! Force them to donate it to a food pantry or something for a tax credit or another fishing trip????? Regulation forces them to do that.
Right! You got it. If it gets to the boat and the dragger can sell it somehow and make money. Let them. Don't throw dead fish back into the ocean! Force them to donate it to a food pantry or something for a tax credit or another fishing trip????? Regulation forces them to do that.
Have them profit for wiping out everything they can get there hands on? What?
How about fine them for catching them, and fine them quadruple for throwing dead fish back into the sea!
Yep, agree'd on the REDICULOUSNESS of the bycatch. Both the wating it, and the fact they catch it in the first place.
But my bad comparison using PC's was not $ oriented. It was job oriented. They should not allow JOBS orient in ANY WAY the fishign regulations. I shoudl be allowed to take as much fish as a dragger. There's no difference between a dragger and rec, except he can sell his. So obviously I won't take a 20 tons home as he does. But I should be able to take as much as he can in theory, as long as we are both fishing. What makes the "dragger" or commercial guy so special?
My point is, even if they allow the rec's to take as much as they wish, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference in the fishery. I bet we take less than 1% of the fish taken. Alllow us to take whatever we want, worst case it will double, 2%. Big DEAL!!
Have them profit for wiping out everything they can get there hands on? What?
How about fine them for catching them, and fine them quadruple for throwing dead fish back into the sea!
since there is no way of knowing what is going to get scooped up as a by catch in the nets. The sencable thing to me is to put it to use. Not have all that dead stuff go to waste. That is a regulation problem not the act of dragging problem. the sad part is the waste. the draggers are so regulated that it would be impossable for them to overfish. Go direct your efforts to cleaning up spawning areas so the millions of hatch don't die before they even have a chance at anything?? you couldn't send the exixsting draggers out enough to catch a fraction of what the polution kill rate represents.
These numbers are stagering. I can't believe anyone can't compound the numbers even for a token amount of fish that reproduce in comparison to what the real amount of fish that reproduce and wonder.... where do billions of these striped bass go every year? There is no freakin way draggers are catching a billion plus of stripers and only leaving a 100 for you recreationals to catch! it just ain't happening!
Reproduction:
Striped bass reproduce in rivers and brackish areas of estuaries. Spawning occurs from the spring to early summer, with the greatest activity occurring when the water warms to about 65 degrees F. The eggs drift in currents until they hatch 1 1/2 to 3 days after being fertilized. The major spawning activity for the entire East Coast occurs in the Hudson River, the Chesapeake Bay and the Roanoke River - Albermarle Sound watershed. The number of eggs produced by female striped bass is directly related to the size of its body. A 12 - pound female may produce about 850,000 eggs and a 55 - pound female about 4,200,000 eggs
boatmanalso the sooner the draggers go out of business the better. There is no excusing their waste and their ethics. If those regulations were not in place they would catch every damn fish and put themselves out of work. Some liken draggers to farmers. Well that is pure BS. Farmers till the land, plant the seeds, fertilize, harvest and prepare the land for the next cycle. Your craphead draggers just harvest. The only thing they put back is dead fish (bycatch). Plus they destroy the bottom structure with their gear.
I love your striped bass info. Now think on this. New Jersey has given the striped bass a sportfish label, no commercial catch and NO SALE of any striper in NJ. I wish every state would adopt this attitude.
I just love that dragger crybaby. He moans about the lobstermen, the regs and his crew. Bout time he gives it up and sends his boat into a sportfishing reef.
CB according to the reproduction numbers for just stripers, 1 55lb striper for each state that they are known to be in would produce over 4 million stripers. you rec guys would have your arms fall off from one fishes hatch if you could reel that many in. Stop being greedy with the resourse. Because there are millions of stripers out there laying billions of eggs. Just one billion 55lb stripers would sink every dragger there is in the Us if they went out and tried to catch that much . You aren't continplating the numbers of eggs reliesed during spawning and you aren't wondering where they are going because it is impossable for the draggers to catch that many. If a dragger can't keep fish you shouldn't be able to either. Are you a owner of a factory that causes major polution in our waterways? You sound like it!
You can all keep complaining about commercial fisherman. As a recreational fisherman you are allowed to fish 365 days a year. You are allowed to keep 10 codfish per day. At a moderate average of 10lbs that would be 36500lbs of fish. Now a small time boat out is allowed to fish roughly 32 days a year. Above the cape that is 25600 lbs of codfish if they get there limit every day. So why are you complaining about commercial guys filling there limits? If it is such a problem to you and your so concerned about the ecosystem why do you own a boat? We work our asses off to make a small amount of money just to see some guy who sits behind a desks rip on us for what we do for a living. Do i go on a PC website and bash the guy who made my computer? Do I come to your office and cut off your profits like you have done to many commercial tuna guys?? Give it up its a TV show go down to a pier if you think you have something to say about our jobs and how we go about things.
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i used to build my own pc's. I stopped building low cost ones because I can buy complete systems from dell for less than the cost of the parts. I still build servers, but nobody really sells those at cut-throat pricing.
