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Old 09-30-2009, 06:45 PM
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Can this be happening?!!!!


NOAA To Close Recreational Fishery for Black Sea Bass for Six Months Due to Overharvest
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Permit Holder LetterRegulatory Impact Review (RIR) and Environmental Justice Reviews for a Temporary Rule Emergency Action NOAA announced today the temporarily closure of the black sea bass recreational fishery in federal waters north of Cape Hatteras, N.C., for 180 days in response to recent landings data that showed recreational fishermen may catch more than double their annual quota by the end of the year. The closure will commence on Monday, October 5, 2009.

Landings data and scientific analyses show recreational fishermen have reached their quota and could exceed their 1.14 million pound harvest limit by as much as 84 to 225 percent if the recreational fishery is not closed.
An independent body of federal and university scientists recently determined that the black sea bass stock has been rebuilt. However, both the scientists and the Science and Statistical Committee of the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council have cautioned against increasing fishing of this stock for several reasons, including the complex and poorly understood reproductive cycle, and limited information on life span and important habitats for this species. The Council recommends catch limits for black sea bass in federal waters.

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NOAA Fisheries Service is dedicated to protecting and preserving our nation’s living marine resources and their habitat through scientific research, management and enforcement. NOAA Fisheries Service provides effective stewardship of these resources for the benefit of the nation, supporting coastal communities that depend upon them, and helping to provide safe and healthy seafood to consumers and recreational opportunities for the American public. NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources. Visit http://www.noaa.gov.
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JANE LUBCHENCO the new administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also served on the Pew Oceans Commission
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Which idiot told you that CO2 only makes up 0.039% of the atmosphere?

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Old 09-30-2009, 07:25 PM
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JANE LUBCHENCO the new administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration also served on the Pew Oceans Commission
You have that right. And expect far more closures and a push for MPA's - those no fishing ever again zones Obama and his new NOAA and NMFS staffs are all for. Hopefully 2012 will come without permanant irrevervseable damage to all our rights to fish and enjoy the outdoors, but I doubt it.
And wait for the next shoe to drop - as part of the EPA mandate to regulate CO2 - minimum mpg for boats. I hope those new 13' Whaler Canyon Editions really are big enough.
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If you can find them inside the EEZ you can still fish for them
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If you can find them inside the EEZ you can still fish for them
How's that legal?
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How's that legal?

The order affects Federal waters (3 miles out).

This closure along with the implementation of a poorly thought out and onerous license for New york saltwater fisherman shows the state and federal governments complete contempt for the sport and industry.

How would you like to be a NY charter boat? NY wants a $400 fee on October 1st for 2009 and another on January 1st for 2010.
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http://www.app.com/article/20090930/...30077/1001/rss

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The order affects Federal waters (3 miles out).

This closure along with the implementation of a poorly thought out and onerous license for New york saltwater fisherman shows the state and federal governments complete contempt for the sport and industry.

How would you like to be a NY charter boat? NY wants a $400 fee on October 1st for 2009 and another on January 1st for 2010.

The order which effects three miles out means all party boats and charter boats with a federal fisheries permit may not fish within State waters for seabass since the federal limit is closed. Only the recs can fish inshore of the three mile line. Party and charter boats are royally screwed. This will damage so many businesses which are marine related.
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I'm confused.....does this mean it's ok to fish for them within three miles of shore?
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I'm confused.....does this mean it's ok to fish for them within three miles of shore?

As a rec boat yes you can until the State of NJ changes its regs.
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I normally do not cut and paste but I see this as such a huge issue that I'd like to share this item. We as recreational anglers are under seige from our own government, they are not our friends.

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/f...ory?id=4522316

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Recreation fishing interests see task force as major threat to impose closures

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Until recently, threats to fishing access have been so diverse and so scattered that they have not raised collective concern among anglers.

Why should fishermen in Maine worry that the state of California has closed waters around the Channel Islands? Why should Texans be upset that the National Park Service blocked surf casters from reaching the beaches of Cape Hatteras National Seashore in North Carolina?

With the recent creation of a federal Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force, however, anglers should be genuinely concerned about the future availability of their favorite waters — whether freshwater or salt — according to leaders in the recreational fishing industry.
"It's time for fishermen to pay attention," said Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS. "Right now, this is all an administrative directive with no accountability or oversight and no real public input, and that's scary."

President Barack Obama quietly created the task force with a June 12 memo. Staffed with "senior policy-level officials" from Interior, Commerce, Agriculture, Homeland Security and other departments and agencies, the task force provides a structure and a mechanism for closures of sport fisheries not only in the blue and coastal waters of oceans, but inland, starting with the Great Lakes. Of course, that is not the stated intent. The President said it was created "To succeed in protecting the oceans, coasts, and Great Lakes, the United States needs to act within a unifying framework under a clear national policy, including a comprehensive, ecosystem-based framework for the long-term conservation and use of our resources."

Yet those with interests in recreational fishing say early indications are that many in the administration want to take it in the direction of recreational fishing closures under the guise of better protecting those resources. They claim evidence of that can be seen in the task force's Interim Report, released on Sept. 10.

"We are completely baffled as to why the task force failed to acknowledge or include any mention of the key aspects of recreational fishing that were presented to them in detail on more than one occasion," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano American Corp./Shimano Canada Ltd. "The significant number of jobs and the economy that more than 60 million American anglers support, and the major conservation efforts by people who fish in all regions of the country, were completely ignored.

"No distinction between the obvious dramatic differences between recreational fishing and commercial harvest methods was made. This is the result of a 90-day fire-drill process, as ordered by the President that, not surprisingly, lacks balance, clarity, and quality in the end product.

"People who simply want to take their kids fishing deserve better from their government."

Mirroring other "fire-drill" initiatives that this administration has undertaken, the task force was given 90 days to develop the interim report and additional 90 days to come up with a framework "for effective coastal and marine spatial planning."

In addition to embracing the idea of protected areas in Great Lakes, the memo stated that management be "consistent with international law, including customary international law as reflected by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea."

The U.S. has not signed that international agreement.

"Any treaty signed by the United States takes precedence over U.S. law," Morlock said. "We could be ceding jurisdiction — and access — to the U.N."

Horton said the administrative bureaucracy is reaching into what traditionally has been state jurisdiction.

"Thanks to programs like Wallop-Breaux, paid by anglers, and Pittman-Robertson, paid by hunters, the states have done a good job of managing resources," he said. "They're in the best positions to make decisions on the ground."

Once a beachhead has been established in the Great Lakes, however, "there's not a chance that it will stop there," Morlock said, adding that inland lakes, reservoirs, and streams could see closures under this new federal strategy.

"This is very serious," added Jim Martin, director of the Berkley Conservation Institute and board chairman of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. "Seventy percent of all freshwater angler days come from lakes and reservoirs that operate at the mercy of water managers.

"It's something that we take for granted. Until now, we've believed that places like Table Rock and Guntersville always will be there for us. But we can't be complacent. Policies can change."

And those policies can be changed by people who don't know — or don't want to know — that sport fishermen are at the forefront of conservation efforts in oceans and inland waters.

"What people have to realize is the more you eliminate recreational angling, the more you eliminate a data source for good management and a monetary investment in the resource," said Gordon Robertson of the American Sportfishing Association.

Since 1952, anglers have given more than $5 billion through excise taxes on fishing equipment to the Sport Fish Restoration program, also known as Wallop-Breaux. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service then distributes that money to the states for aquatic education, boating safety, access enhancement, and fisheries research and management.

Instead of acknowledging this value, though, some environmental activists want to close fisheries for agenda-driven symbolic reasons, with no scientific justification. And, despite the obvious differences, they continue to reference "fishing" as if commercial and recreational are one and the same in terms of methods and impact on resources.

"Environmentalists started that and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (a key member of the task force) has picked up on it," Morlock said.

"Overfishing," too, resonates with many who rightly believe that the oceans are in trouble, and they are correct in believing that problems do exist with some ocean stocks, according to Robertson.

"Marine Protected Areas and even closures, have a place," he said. "But there's clearly a problem in that people don't know about all the good that recreational fishermen have done for the resource and how resilient fisheries are."

What can be done about those who refuse to see and/or acknowledge the importance of recreational fishing and the value that it brings to management of our waters?

"It's going to be nearly impossible to change the perspective of people on the task force," Horton said. "The saving grace is that anglers can write to their members of Congress and insist on oversight.

"There's supposedly public input into this process, but we haven't seen it," he added. "There has been no opportunity to sit down with these people and come up with a collaborative policy.

"Right now, there's just a bunch of federal administrators accepting comments. And as we saw in the Interim Report, they didn't use what we told them earlier."
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How about just placing a reasonable limit on them now. I believe in CT, a charter boat has a limit of 45 bass per person. That's way to many for one person. Just my two cents....
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Still OK for Commercials to catch 'em though...
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Still OK for Commercials to catch 'em though...
I don't believe that is true. My understanding is that it's a complete closure of the federal waters, No rec, No com.

The irony is that this is listed as a "fully recovered species".
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Comms with pots are still okay to fish until they say the quota is met. Who knows when the comms will be shut out. Maybe never.
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As a rec boat yes you can until the State of NJ changes its regs.

So where does this little bit of information get distributed? That is when I pull into the marina with a load of sea bass to I just tell them, "Oh I caught them only 2 miles out." While this is entirely possible, how would one prove it? And what reference are you going to use to plead your case??
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Comms with pots are still okay to fish until they say the quota is met. Who knows when the comms will be shut out. Maybe never.
Who knows when recs will be shut off from hurting fish for fun??????

Attitudes like yours are why everything is so screwed up you a-hole.

Can't wait till joisey gets a real governor......
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Who knows when recs will be shut off from hurting fish for fun??????

Attitudes like yours are why everything is so screwed up you a-hole.

Can't wait till joisey gets a real governor......

What are you drinking I want some. I'm a licensed Master for over 23 years I've run charters for over 12 years and I have nothing against comms and I'm all for it. I believe you misread my post I don't want to see comms put out of business, and I never said I did. I was just answering some questions. Please read again.

If you don't think they will shut down the comms when they feel the quota is reached you are nuts. Look what they just did to all Party, and Charter boats. Who will pay their bills.

And we do need a new Gov.
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look at the complete massacers of sea bass that go along all winter, the complete disregard for size and limits on a lot of those chater/party boats...its time they had some regulation, its been a free for all long enough
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