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Just got my license in the mail - it states it is from10/1/2009 to 9/30/2010. I guess New York's DEC can't even follow its own regs. Does this mean, for the guys buying a 1 year license they are good to 9/2010 instead of 12/31/2009 as they are supposed to be?
I went for the lifer for a buck fifty since I do fish out of NY waters 3-4 months a year. I figured that's the cheapest you'll ever be able to get if for and I figure I still got a good 40 years or so of good fishing left in me.
But I'm still undecided if i should buy one for the old lady. She doesn't fish at all, but she always comes back to the dock with a Red Snapper
Sorry guys, i just couldn't help myself . I'm just trying to get a laugh out of this bullshit
But really, so what happens if we take our women out with us fishing just as always? She has to have a permit now even if she's not fishing ? Even if she's only along to make sandwiches and layout nekked on the deck and well, ummmmmm , you know
This is bullshit. Essentially, now we're getting taxed for getting laid on our own boats! Ya can't drink, Ya can't get laid ? What's next ?
That is fact. The license only applies to fishing, and thus fish caught with the 3 nm state territorial limit. So for Tuna, Swordfish, Mahi and Shark, no license is needed. The bigger issue is whether with Bluefish, Fluke and Sea Bass, which can be caught in both places, is if they have to catch you in the act of fishing in state waters to cite you, or is there a presumption for species that can be caught in both areas, that you did so in NY? The law is silent on that point.
The list of marine and migratory fish is located in http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_mari...icense2009.pdf: Fluke, Flounder, Bluefish, Porgy, Striped Bass, Blackfish, weakfish, seabass, Alewife, blueback herring, Hickory shad and American Shad. However, the specific set of “migratory fish of the sea" includes Alewife, American shad, blueback herring, hickory shad and striped bass.
In the document, on page 5 it describes fishing in general in "The Atlantic Ocean within three nautical miles from the coast and all other tidal waters within the state, including the Hudson River up to the Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge."This to me means 'ALL' marine fish.
However, the next bullet item, "The Hudson River, Delaware River, or Mohawk River and their tributaries where the angler is fishing for “migratory fish of the sea,” such as striped bass, American shad, hickory shad, blueback herring and alewife." This to me means only the species identified as "migratory fish of the sea"
The above is very clear cut but you really have to break it apart to understand what species, in what waters are considered under the provisions of the license.
One problem - you catch and keep any of these fish while fishing in federal waters (with the exception of the ones you can't keep in federal waters), how do they know that you were 12 miles out when you picked up the dozen bluefish, or 5 miles from shore when you caught the 1 fluke over 2 1/2 feet(joke). They need to figure that out, and that is why saltwater licenses don't make sense.
Another big issue is boundary states, for example, NJ residents fishing in NY waters. The raritan bay has got to be one of the most difficult boarders to deal with, and we end up in NY waters all the time. For example, fishing yesturday, I may have crossed the boarder 15 or 20 times.
It claims that the NY license covers you in border states, and I saw earlier that someone stated CT has a license. So if CT has the same reciprocal
privilege that NY has, than you are covered. However, in NJ, there is no current Saltwater Fishing License let alone a reciprocal privileged license.
So, since now I need to get a license. For me, my wife, etc, no biggie, it's an annual thing. But what about people that come fishing with me once a year? Either they need to go over to New York to get a license (at a tackle shop) for immediate use. Or need to know 14 days in advance to do it on the web. BTW - a Trip to NY is at least $6 (or is it $8) now, just to cross the bridge.
What a pita.
Fishing in Waters of Bordering States Th e New York State recreational marine fi shing license off ers a reciprocal privilege to bordering states, provided those states have an active marine license program and aff ord the same privilege to New York marine license holders. Th is means that anglers holding a New York marine fi shing license are not required to purchase non–resident licenses from bordering states while fi shing their waters. Th e following list includes the waters that are covered by a
New York marine license.
• Connecticut waters, including those parts of Long Island Sound lying between New York and Connecticut • New Jersey waters, including those parts of New York Harbor, the Hudson River, the Kill Van Kull, the Arthur Kill, Raritan Bay and the Atlantic Ocean lying between New York and New Jersey • Rhode Island waters, including those parts of Long Island Sound, Block Island Sound and the Atlantic Ocean lying between New
York and Rhode Island
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Last edited by Justin_NJ; 10-12-2009 at 03:12 PM.
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Just got my license in the mail - it states it is from10/1/2009 to 9/30/2010. I guess New York's DEC can't even follow its own regs. Does this mean, for the guys buying a 1 year license they are good to 9/2010 instead of 12/31/2009 as they are supposed to be?
Did you pay $10 or $20? I paid $20 to get one that goes from now until the end of 2010.
I've heard from lots of people who said the DEC and locals won't be busting balls and only giving out warnings until next year! I'm not springing for the lifetime yet, I'm guessing it may be repealed after the next elections if we're lucky.
One problem - you catch and keep any of these fish while fishing in federal waters (with the exception of the ones you can't keep in federal waters), how do they know that you were 12 miles out when you picked up the dozen bluefish, or 5 miles from shore when you caught the 1 fluke over 2 1/2 feet(joke). They need to figure that out, and that is why saltwater licenses don't make sense.
It's just like legal size limit on fish when it's different in NY, CT and RI.
If you keep a legal (where you caught it) 28 inch fish, you better not get caught with it in waters that have a 32 inch limit. The same goes for the boat launch. When the limit for ct stripers was 32" guys that kept 28 " stipers legally in NY waters were gitting pinched while retrieving at the CT launches. It didn't affect me much as I don't keep fish anyway but it's not fair for fisherman that are obeying the law to get fined.
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I called the DEC today and talked to a very helpful women who understands the problem. She herself fishes the deleware river and find it to be even a freshwater problem when two states have joined water surface and different regulations.
Anyway - she actually posed the root cause the legislative people who make these decisions don't think hard about it and then they dump it on the DEC to handle the aftermath and issues.
They really need to do something about it. Maybe it's time we as fisherman/women start a new voice for a common federal fishing regulations - and of course we follow the state for each species that has the best (for us) size and qnty limts
I heard that the reciprocal lic between NY and Ct. only applies to Long Island Sound. Therefore if I decide to fish Montauk and I don't have a non-resident NY lic than I'm screwed
Did you pay $10 or $20? I paid $20 to get one that goes from now until the end of 2010.
I've heard from lots of people who said the DEC and locals won't be busting balls and only giving out warnings until next year! I'm not springing for the lifetime yet, I'm guessing it may be repealed after the next elections if we're lucky.
I went with the lifetime license - my guess is the fees will rise in the next 2-3 years to the freshwater rates: yearly fee of $29, lifetime $350, and as a result my $150 will pay for itself pretty quickly.
As for repeal - it will never happen. In NY once a tax passes, it never disappears. They couldn't even get the 2009 waiver (those 3 months we are forced to pay for) through because the state wanted the money.
i bought the 150$ life license,there is a 250$ fine for fishing without one.it does not pay to screw with them,you have two choices they win or you loose.if some one is going to fish one time on the boat,let him get a 4$ day licence.
i bought the 150$ life license,there is a 250$ fine for fishing without one.it does not pay to screw with them,you have two choices they win or you loose.if some one is going to fish one time on the boat,let him get a 4$ day licence.
One problem with that... people fishing from NJ (Mostly raritan bay) have to send their friends to New York to get a fishing license, even for a 1 day trip..
One problem with that... people fishing from NJ (Mostly raritan bay) have to send their friends to New York to get a fishing license, even for a 1 day trip..
In that case you may just want to fish on the NJ side.
Can't do that - you go where the birds are! And besides my favorite fishing spot is litterally 150 yards past they NJ/NY border...
In that case you have three choices - break the law; or have your guests purchase the non-resident license over the internet - which requires setting up an account and some form of state ID (driver's license); or take up golf.
For the balance of 2009, I don't think your NJ residents need the permit when fishing from a boat based in NJ, as under the language of the legistlation Are there any reciprocal license agreements with other states where marine waters form boundaries with other states?
Yes, in certain waters, if a state grants New York recreational marine fishing license holders fishing privileges in that state's portion of the boundary water(s), then New York grants appropriately licensed anglers from that state the privilege to fish in the New York portion of the boundary water(s) without securing a New York recreational marine fishing license:
Connecticut: those parts of Long Island Sound lying between New York and Connecticut
New Jersey: those parts of New York Harbor, Hudson River, Kill Van Kull, Arthur Kill, Raritan Bay, and Atlantic Ocean lying between New Jersey and New York, and
And since for 2009, NJ has no license and thus allows NY people to fish its waters, theoretically, no license is needed for NJ anglers not landing (bringing to port) fish caught in NYS waters.
And since for 2009, NJ has no license and thus allows NY people to fish its waters, theoretically, no license is needed for NJ anglers not landing (bringing to port) fish caught in NYS waters.
Nice way of putting it. I like the way you think.. Hopefully it would hold up in the rare event I am stopped by the DEC.
Next year, summer of 2010, the NMFS has announced you will be required to ASK THE FISH where it is from. If from NJ, you will need to follow NJ landing rules. If from NY, you will need to follow NY rules. What they are still not sure about and are still discussing, is in the case the fish is a transient. Check back on their website (link below) to find out the final result:
There may also be a stipulation, that if you don't ask the fish politely, or laugh at it becuase it is from a bad neighborhood, there will be an addiitional fine.
Fish for WHATEVER YOU WISH, WHENEVER YOU WISH, and take AS MANY AS YOU WISH. When they produce a warrant to get on your boat, (3 days later), there will be nothing on your boat.
So is birdies argument. You see, they don't need no stinkin warrant to board your boat and look for fish. The current laws let them do that without even asking nicely.
If that happened here there would be an uproar like you have never heard!
What, boarding to do a search? It's perfectly legal and well within the powers of both the c.g. and conservation officers. They can even search your vehicle, which would otherwise require probable cause.
They do use the power. Why would it cause an uproar?
