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Cb, how right you are, last year I got the report of tuna by the mudhole 2 days later, I went to the area it was packed with trawlers.
They wiped the tuna out. BUMS . When you guy's get them in the net HOW do you let the little ones go? Yea right. They rape our sea
Gerg, As i understand it that reduction of comm size fish among a host of other proposed adjustments was put out on the table this past late winter/early spring by the fishing community but was rejected as was just about every other thing the fishing community came up with. For the reason it was to late in the process to make changes in the regs for the 09 season. Which was Crap in my opinion. They can close any part of the fishery when ever the quota is reached and they can do it at the drop of a hat. So explain ot me why not before it even starts..
Again the way i understand it the regs needed to be changed for the 09 season so we had a better chance at reaching the overall 2009 quota. The reason for this is the 2010 season totals will not be in when the decision needs made by ICCAT to reallocate part of the US quota so they will disguard the 2010 season #'s all together and will default to the 2009 season totals to base the reallocation on.
I went to the Meeting in Glouster earlier this season and can tell you the Comm vs. Rec vs. long line vs. harpooners’ conflict has to end. At that meeting all sectors of the tuna fishing community were represented and stood side by side all fighting for the same thing. NOT LOOSING OUR FISH TO OTHERS COUNTRIES Period.
Personally i think we need ot do whatever we have to to keep our quota. We can not help protect, conserve, or rebuild something if we don't have a say or possession of it.
All this Seagull MINE MINE MINE finger pointing attitude among ourselves is a sure way to guarantee we end up with nothing.
The US is already a joke to ICAT. This is one place we are not the big dog. If we loose quota we become even a smaller dog in the kennel.
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John
Last edited by On The Edge 1; 07-01-2009 at 02:23 PM.
Cb, how right you are, last year I got the report of tuna by the mudhole 2 days later, I went to the area it was packed with trawlers.
They wiped the tuna out. BUMS . When you guy's get them in the net HOW do you let the little ones go? Yea right. They rape our sea
are you comparing a commercial trawler to a commercial Hook n line or harpooner?
__________________ "I love you and respect you very much. But I will kill you dead before this day ends"
John, I'm not taking a position against commercial fishing, just against one fisherman's wrong ideas.
I'd prefer certain types of fishing were changed, but that's just detail. I'm not anti-commercial.
A big problem is that the last/current admin just doesn't give a hoot. They have different reasons, but neither admin will lift a finger to defend our rights.
Change? Yeah, right.
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Terry Jason 35, Yanmar 370 hp, Lots of fun at a leisurely pace
I here ya.
It just always seems to come back to somone pointing a finger about who is the cause of the problem. Meanwhile we piss away any hope we had of even thinking we can help fix the problem.
I was trying to extend on what you touched on about the 09 reg proposal and i guess i got a bit carried away.
Everyone out there that fishes for BFT or lands a legal BFT no matter how or what size. If it is a legal fish be sure you report it, evert pound counts.
Im sorry for any confusion, I was speaking of draggers dragging there nets and killing anything in the path. They have no respect for the waters we fish in also, they kill everything.
Now lets get this straight the original poster is mad because he can only keep one fish and he is blaming the commercial fisherman for that???????? The angling categories over the past three years has caught quadruple the amount reported for each year????????? It has never been shut down while the General Category and harpoon categories both have a quota and when reached they get shut down...they don't have the option of calling in the fish the caught, it is reported by the dealer...I wish I was wasn't monitored like you guys...especially 8 years ago, I'd be a millionare...my point is before you point fingers and claim that comm fishermen kill all the fish look around you, there are 43000 tuna permits in the US 33000 of them are angling....so who do you think catches more fish that as you say don't reach maturity????? I went to the meeting in Plymouth the other nite, no one is fighting against eachother anymore, we all have one purpose, save quota and find a way to control the east and med catch rates to allow our fishery to return...
sashamy, re-read the original op's post, it was to let fellow anglers know where he spotted tuna, and was upset because he could only keep 1 fish. Then another poster alerted us that it is back as last year and a boat can keep 2 (provided they fit the size). Thats when the commercial guy's starting saying he shouldn't have kept any (even though its his legal right) and that is what recreational anglers do is kill the juveniles. RE-read the thread, he is helping people like me and is getting smacked around for it. You say we are fighting to save or fish, BUT if you were allowed to you would be a millionaire by killing as many as you can. And how often do we fish 3 times a season keeping 1-2 fish and you fish 6 day's a week catching how many? Who kills more and yours aren't for personal consumption.
Just thinking about stats= recreational 33000 x 5-trips a season at 10 fish total=330,000 and commercial 6 days a week x 3 per day x 20 weeks a season x 10,000 = 3,600,000 ....what was your point
bfmike...you are truly a genius....once 660mt is reached the season is over done...so that number in the united states will never happen....but if the recs don't report than they will never get shut down...at your numbers we would not be allowed to sell a fish after june 30.....again genius and I am glad you guys are catching fish....its fun
Sashamy how do you come up with your numbers? We have to report every fish. Sorry; but you are just dumb like your numbers.
If it at all possible, ask yourself why anyone in the Angling Category would TARGET BF when you can only keep one and two if you are lucky to get one over 47". My boat burns 26 gallons of diesel an hour. The trip cost is high and then divide one BF amoung 5 or 6 guys. Sashamy you and your ilk are a fregg'in joke.
Me and my "ilk" you were the one complaining that you could only keep one, than you went on some Oceana like tyrade...no offense CB but if you are trying to equate fuel burn with bringing home food than you are in the wrong sport...it is about fun man not cost of fish versus cost of fuel...who cares if you burn 1000 gallons if you are enjoying yourself....and where do I get my numbers?? NMFS the US has 2100mt quota for BFT...and if you come up north you will find that there is not the presence enforcement wise that you have in Jersey and NY and a lot of guys don't report for fear of being shut down, our fish up here are average 130 to 190 pounds that kind of weight adds up quick....the number of permits can be found on NMFS website as well, I am not lying...so maybe you should get your head out of your ilks ass....
and bfmike 33000 x 10 x 5 = 1,650,000 ....620mt x2200 = 1,364,000#/ 300#= about 4500 fish at a 300# dress weight average.....lets not talk about 1.6 million fish and their weights...lol its called a hard tac or total allowable catch....and it is reported mandatorily by the dealers when a fish is caught and sold....not an on your honor check in...
Last edited by Sashamy; 07-02-2009 at 11:22 AM.
Reason: math
Sashamy how do you come up with your numbers? We have to report every fish. Sorry; but you are just dumb like your numbers.
If it at all possible, ask yourself why anyone in the Angling Category would TARGET BF when you can only keep one and two if you are lucky to get one over 47". My boat burns 26 gallons of diesel an hour. The trip cost is high and then divide one BF amoung 5 or 6 guys. Sashamy you and your ilk are a fregg'in joke.
"ask yourself why anyone in the Angling Category would TARGET BF when you can only keep one and two if you are lucky to get one over 47"."
I am in the Rec angling cat and i target BFT every chance i get. Like doug said our local fishery has fish mostly in the 150 lb class for the recs. Also This past season gave the Comms some of the best giant fishing they have seen in years. The november bite we had out east was nothing short of stella. I guess your argument is based on your location and your local fishery, which is not fair to either side of the argument. I agree with doug, (and this is not always the case, no offence doug) I fish for tuna more for the sport then the table. If somthing goes in the box it is a bonus.
If everyone based there fishing on the money they spend none of us would be fishing the blue water.
John, how right you are, I would be a rich man if I listen to my friends and stopped with all this sportfishing paraphernalia and just went to eat seafood at a restaurant. But then again I wouldn't be on this forum enjoying my nights.
If it at all possible, ask yourself why anyone in the Angling Category would TARGET BF when you can only keep one and two if you are lucky to get one over 47".
I hope you are kidding. There are days you can barely get near the Middle Bank or CC Bay because there are so many angling boats targeting bluefin. Before you start talking like you are an expert on this fishery, you may want to do a little research.
CB,
Did you ever get back out? If so how did you do? I'm thinking of going EARLY on the 4th, but not sure if it's worth it.(Kind of a long ride in my 21)
Thanks,
JollyMonNJ
No we did not get out Thursday. I was going to take a neighbor out in his new boat. It sunk. A neighbor called me to say a boat was sinking. Read the Post about the new sailfish.
