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atom - the pressure of a heavy rec sector and commercial sector
When the recs already have 80% of the fish, why are you putting so much typing about an issue that only affects the comm'l sector?
You are way out of line if you think that shutting off or even curtaling the amount of bass taken by the commercial sector is the way to help the fishery out..This is evidenced by other fisheries that haven't recovered after all fishing for them ended.
If the Chesapeake is having problems write to the EPA and ask them why they let it get that way.
But please don't let yourself think that limiting my access to the fishery is going to save it, because it won't and I shouldn't have to go without to try to fix something that my going without won't fix.
This whole thing is such a f**n joke and the tree huggers are probably going to get there way some day.I comm. fish for a living and stripers are a big part of my income.There are definately no shortage of stripers out there and they sure as hell arent on the decline.Been fishing comm for them for 30 yrs and I have seen no decline in #s - if anything I SEE MORE ! What I do see is they have changed their locations due to bait ,water temps ,Etc. . Go offshore to the bank or crab ldg or any of the offshore rips and you can basically walk on them ! Its sickining to think that these tree huggers could be taken seriously with their false science and bull sh*t remarks. Put a rod in 99.9% of there hands and they wont catch a thing except little ones.Then they watch the comm. guy catch them right beside them and decide that shoudnt be allowed.Our comm. quota doesnt amount to a pile sh*t and has little to no impact on the population.We catch it and we are done.The recs and the tree huggers dwarf what we do probably 10 times over.I love watching their catch & release - you know 10 to 20 min on light tackle ,or the ol picture routine for 5 minutes, and the ever popular treble hooks in the gills for schoolies! guess what - most of them r dead !! Now we r going to have to listen to some pompas ass like cb or grateful chime in and talk about something they have absolutely no clue about until they look up some false science.
I could use some help on this one as my figures are going to be an estimate and i may be missing something here but I will try to be conservative if anything.
Lets take a look at what the striped bass fishery generates both for the state in fees or revenue for individuals or business.
4500 permits issued with boats at $ !60 and individual at $95 ...75% boat= $540,000 25% indv.=$106,875 total=$646875
approximately 1m pounds of fish wholesale @ $4/lb= $4,000,000 to fishermen
retail of 300000lb at $12/lb = 3,600,000 to markets and restuarants
fuel,tackle, gear,boat sales and repair all taxable gross sales and sales and meals tax to the state ??
I bet when this is all added up the striped bass commercial season generates well over 10 million to the state economy in one form or another
Stripers For Ever claims 2800 new jobs will be created by eliminating the season ....... typical Obamanomics
Again please jump in here and help as I would like to know an accurate figure for this
Bampy - 1/25/2009 10:37 AMDoes any one have a Bill number so that I can write to rep's. Not in favor.
Here is the bill- <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } -->
AN ACT RELATIVE TO THECONSERVATION OF ATLANTIC STRIPED BASS.
Be it enacted by the Senate and Houseof Representatives in the General Court assembled, and by theauthority of the same as follows:
SECTION 1. Section 110A of chapter 130of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2006 Official Edition, isherby amended by striking the section in its entirety and insertingin place thereof the following sentences:-
Commercial harvesting and sale of wild striped bass shall be prohibited in the commonwealth. The director, with the approval of the marine fisheries advisory commission, shall adopt rules and regulations relative to the taking or possession of wild striped bass by recreational angling, provided that in no instance shall any rule or regulation authorize the taking or possession of striped bass which are less than 20 inches in length or greater than 26 inches total length but less than 40 inches total length. It is unlawful to take or possess striped bass unless the fish are whole with head on and are between 20 and 26 inches total length or 40 inches and greater total length.
It is unlawful to take or possess more than one (1) striped bass each day.
All aquaculture raised striped bass for sale in the commonwealth shall bear the tag of the grower or distributor of the fish.
Whoever violates any rules or regulations made pursuant to this section shall be punished by a fine of not less than two hundred dollars for each fish taken or possessed for the first violation, five hundred dollars for each fish taken or possessed for the second violation and for each subsequent violation shall be fined one thousand dollars for each fish taken or possessed or imprisoned not more than sixty days or both. No part of any fine imposed for the taking or possession of any striped bass in violation of any such regulation shall be remitted.
SECTION 2. The striped bass quota forcommercial fishing provided to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts bythe Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission shall not be added torecreational fishing quotas. Said quota shall be set aside forconservation and the Director of the Division of Marine Fisheriesshall use his best efforts in working with the Commission to see thatthe amount of this quota is not given to other states but remains theproperty of the Commonwealth to be used for conservation of stripedbass.
Obviously I have done a poor job in conveying my thoughts. Stripers Forevers goal is to reallocate the resource to the rec fishermen. This is evident in their recent survey where 51% of their members responded to end commercial and give at least some of the quota to the rec sector. The 2800 jobs is urealistic as I don't forsee more people entering into the bass fishery because the comm group is closed. Either you fish for bass when you leave the dock or not!
My point was to raise concern about the threat of desease to the fishery. Once again I failed to make that point clear and it seems that most people here do not believe that a problem exists.
Come the second week in July I'll be right there catching my fish, hopefully. Unfortunately, unlike surfcaster, no where in this area pays $4/lb. $2.75 was the highest last season for me, and that was 1 day. I'ld like to know where to get 4 bucks though. I'll drive there for the extra $$$.
Good day. Art
stickboat - 1/24/2009 10:16 AM
Now we r going to have to listen to some pompas ass like cb or grateful chime in and talk about something they have absolutely no clue about until they look up some false science.
Wow, you can't make your point without attacking someone who had nothing to do with this thread. Obviously your argument is weak sauce if you need resort to acting like a 12 year old.
stickboat - 1/24/2009 10:16 AMNow we r going to have to listen to some pompas ass like cb or grateful chime in and talk about something they have absolutely no clue about until they look up some false science.
Wow, you can't make your point without attacking someone who had nothing to do with this thread. Obviously your argument is weak sauce if you need resort to acting like a 12 year old. False science? LMFAOYou are a total loser.
atom - 1/25/2009 11:37 AM Obviously I have done a poor job in conveying my thoughts. Stripers Forevers goal is to reallocate the resource to the rec fishermen. This is evident in their recent survey where 51% of their members responded to end commercial and give at least some of the quota to the rec sector. The 2800 jobs is urealistic as I don't forsee more people entering into the bass fishery because the comm group is closed. Either you fish for bass when you leave the dock or not! My point was to raise concern about the threat of desease to the fishery. Once again I failed to make that point clear and it seems that most people here do not believe that a problem exists. Come the second week in July I'll be right there catching my fish, hopefully. Unfortunately, unlike surfcaster, no where in this area pays $4/lb. $2.75 was the highest last season for me, and that was 1 day. I'ld like to know where to get 4 bucks though. I'll drive there for the extra $$$. Good day. Art
I was trying to stay out of this. First of all I am suprised that 51% of members "in favor of re-allocating quota" is not higher amone SF members. In reality out of the whole pool of people who fish for striped bass I would say less than 10 percent would be in favor of never being able to keep one. Beyond that the recreational sector catches and kills to quote CMP 5-8 times more than the commercial LANDINGS. Every fish I catch commercially gets recorded. They know exactly how many fish are killed every year how many lbs were caught. That is more regulated than any other fishery I can think of (except bluefin). In both cases everyone knows recreational kills more fish. With that said there are far more recreational fisherman than commercial fisherman so I understand that the argument is that the resource should be allocated evenly based on the amount of fisherman, but that is crap. How many rec fisherman do you know that fish for bass for 40 hours in 3 days? Worry about cutting down on bycatch off chatham which probably kills about another million lbs every fall where no one makes money off of them before trying to backdoor a bill that attacks a politically disorganized group of fisherman. We are in an ecconomic crisis here and I know for a fact that many bass fisherman depend on that income. Lets cut some more jobs to hurt the ecconomy more so the ocean can be over populated with bass? The fish didn't show up in maine this year, the fall run wasn't good off MA. This was a year that was different, more pogies and macks inshore than there has been in 5 years. I changed a few things and fished different areas. What I found was that there were loads of fish in a few places rathere than decent numbers of fish in a lot of places. I know this was disorganized it was more of a vent, but its my 2 cents
About the bill....I said this before. If the fisheries are actually by law managed through the executive branch, does this bill actually have any teeth? I mean don't they legally have to petition the DMF for a reg change? I think they do. But even if they don't, Sashamy is right, Diodati is never going to approve it and neither will the MFC. What I'd like to see is a law keeping them from trying this crap anymore.....
surfcaster thanks for your answer. My belief is if you take the fish by hook and line then you should be allowed to sell it. I am on your side on this one.
stickboat go sit on your green stick.
Thanks Clammer, spread the word.
As Rep Sara Peake said the emails don't have to be fancy just a simple ..... "I am strongly opposed to the Striped Bass Conservation Act"...... will do it
mailto: Rep.SarahPeake@Hou.State.MA.US
RE: Striped bass gamefish, again, ugh..... 
