loligo

Will you sign and support a petition to stop the use of gill nets for groundfish in state waters (MA)?

I am going to rewrite the petition, I had to wait for 1 year from the time I first submitted, my original petition, you can't submit a failed petition more than once in a year.



Somehow DMF is of the mind that there is now no problems with our state waters gill netting situation, even though the reason they shut the CCZ and issued the SWGE was because of all the gill nets in state waters. Back in 2003, when this all became an issue, the state started off in the right direction, by simply banning the nets from the CCZ because of all the discards they were affecting. Then the gillnetters got Vito to intimidate Diodati and the rest is history.....now the gill netters basically own the bottom, even the draggers are bitching about having to dodge the nets, gee, maybe they should have listened before, huh?



I am not going to submit this petition until late Jan- early Feb.. I want to make sure this time around I have a lot of licensed fishermens endorsements....last time around it was basically just me, at the plymouthj public hearing it was like me and 2 other guys against a whole bunch of netters and you couldn't have gottem me to go to the Gloucester hearing on a bet.....So- now I am gonna try it again, but not unless there is plenty of support......Diodati stated at the last commission meeting which was in Bourne, that he met with the netters and is now convinced that there is no need to even place any limits ion the nets they can use (length #) and that all is well.???





If you are willing to sign AND support (by showing up for hearing/s), let me know.

ufish2

Here we go again commercial fishermen against commercial fishermen its a lovley road we travel. I know the PETAS and the PEW will love it!

idigitu88

If it goes against ufish I'll sign it. Yes Im commercial.

north coast

unless he opens ccz again the partys over anyway.
I'd sign it. these guys made a mess of state waters that I doubt we'll ever recover from.

loligo

This isn't comm'l against comm'l, this is comm'l against discriminative access policies.

Unless everyone in MA can have a gillnet permit, the gill nets have to go, simple as that.

These days of only allowing a certain number of folks access to OUR fisheries is coming to an end......

The draggers are getting tired of having to dodge the nets too, so this should get a little more attention this time around.

The state won't even suggest a net limit or no net zones. The netters can tie up as much of the good bottom as they like and they cannot even begin to say they aren't throwing back fish, even the DMF concedes that point, but still no action on their part.

This just isn't right folks, things have to change, the majority of the SWGE permit holders are not gillnetters, yet tyhe gillnetter are landing most of the states waters caught cod.......makes no sense, unless you are a gillnetter or a balless sack of $hit like Diodati who just doesn't want to deal with controversy.

loligo

This isn't comm'l against comm'l, this is comm'l against discriminative access policies.Unless everyone in MA can have a gillnet permit, the gill nets have to go, simple as that.These days of only allowing a certain number of folks access to OUR fisheries is coming to an end......The draggers are getting tired of having to dodge the nets too, so this should get a little more attention this time around.The state won't even suggest a net limit or no net zones. The netters can tie up as much of the good bottom as they like and they cannot even begin to say they aren't throwing back fish, even the DMF concedes that point, but still no action on their part.This just isn't right folks, things have to change, the majority of the SWGE permit holders are not gillnetters, yet the gillnetter are landing most of the states waters caught cod.......makes no sense, unless you are a gillnetter or a balless sack of $hit like Diodati who just doesn't want to deal with controversy.

loligo

oops? This site is a pain that way sometimes......

loligo

Check out http://capecodfisherman.net for more on the states lies about the whole SWGE/ CCZ issue.......

ubettcha13

Post your petion on line so we can cut n paste it so we can sign it and mail it in
Yes I will sign it and get everyone I know to sign it

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loligo

Thanks for that Rich, The petition isn't written, err rewritten, yet. Basically I am garnering support for it now.....we are screwed for this winter and I want to make sure this doesn't fail this time, I'm feeling out a broader support base presently, looking to folks like you for you input and suggestions.





Merry Christmas to you and yours

loligo

I'm willing to forgo a call for a total ban, if the state is willing to negotiate in good faith some limits and accountability measures for the netters, but I don't think the netters will be willing? It sure doesn't sound that way atl east.

ufish2

All you got to do is go up to Gloucester and have a good old talk with those boys they are pretty understanding once you get to know them

loligo

uh huh.

ufish2

No really, I can get an e-mail address for you to someone @ CCCFHA that knows how to get things like this done they have the means $$$$$$$$$ just PM me

loligo

Hi ufish..listen man- CCCHFA has gillnetters as members now, they sold out man, they take money from PEW too, I appreciate your interest and I will gladly accept your greatly needed support.

This is going to go slowly for a little while, and will get going more after the hollidays, I'm just dropping the dime now, so the boys at the state will know it's beginning....no reason I can think of to let them sleep soundly through this Christmas.....Lord knows we can't.

Sashamy

They also have sectors and have bought up quotas from other boats ect....furthermore there are net limits...I am not a big fan of them but this is not florida and gill netting has always been a historical fishery albeit damaging to fisheries...we do get our monkfish, flounder ect and they don't devastate the bottom like some mobile gear types...are you gonna go afetr the scallopers next? I think your intentions are valid but outlandish...

loligo

uh hu...you should know...I was a gillnetter...so I think I know what I'm talking about.



The net ban in Florida had nothing to do with fish...it was a scam to eliminate thew last semi organized group that had legal standing to protest the rampant development of coastal lands....this is totally different.



You oughta know that, seeing as you are a marine fisheries commissioner and used to be the chairman, Mark.....



unless you are a different "Sashamy"......SASHAMYUSCG Doc. No.:1071969Vessel Service:COMMERCIAL FISHING VESSELIMO Number:*Trade Indicator:Fishery, RecreationalCall Sign:*Hull Material:FRP (FIBERGLASS)Hull Number:DEB36039C898Ship Builder:DOWNEAST BOATS&COMPOSITESYear Built:1998

Length (ft.):35.9Hailing Port:BOSTON MAHull Depth (ft.):6Owner:MARK AMORELLO
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PEMBROKE, MA 02359

RoadWarrior

I am happy to support but am not a commercial fisherman. If my support is helpful let me know and you can count me in.

RW

loligo

I'll tell you whats outlandish.......overnight sets......that turn into....3,4,5 day sets.......eeeooooo...yuck...scalers galore.

Mommy, why are those fish just falling apart?

Gill nets own the bottom, noone else can fish while they are there, which if I have any luck, won't be much longer.

loligo

Of course your support is helpful...you got screwed too. The recs have lost their access to this fishery too. Oh boy, DMF will let you catch 2 friggin cod, everywhere the cod aren't!! The gillnetters caused this mess, the state was griping about them and what was going on out there, until the netters pressured the state and said you'll have to close it to everyone if you are going to keep us out. So...thats exeactly what happened....no more going out on a nice day and getting some fresh fish for your table, nope, you have to go without.



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