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Old 10-19-2007, 12:50 AM
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Default President Bush signing an executive order to stop all commercial fishing for striped bass.

This is ridiculous. Striped bass are a success story. There are plenty of them around as far as I can tell. But now the small, often hand-gear striped bass fishery, which accounts for a small minority of total mortality is now going to be stopped? How can that possibly make sense? And on top of getting rid of the commercial guys, they will be handing that same quota to the recreational sector. If striped bass are doing so badly that we need to stop the smaller sector in the fishery, we should stop everyone. Nobody should be keeping any stripers if things are so bad now. I just dont get it.

Want to help stripers, take care of the bycatch issues in the midwater fleet. Dont go and push the smalll commercial fleet out of existence. This is going to hurt a lot of guys in MA, especially on the Cape. I am sure the same is true in all the states with a commercial striper fishery.

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Bush moving to gamefish status for striped bass, red drum
BY SUSAN WEST | SENTINEL STAFF

Gamefish status could be coming for striped bass and red drum, according to Sean McKeon, president of the North Carolina Fisheries Association, a trade group for the state's commercial fishing industry.

"We received confirmation Friday morning that President Bush plans to either issue an executive order designating the two species gamefish or to direct fishery management councils to do so," said McKeon.

The legal designation would place the species off-limits to commercial fishermen, removing the fish from the marketplace.

"This action would be a total circumvention of the fisheries management process established by Congress," said McKeon.

He said that commercial fishermen have shouldered harvest restrictions for both species and have anticipated sharing in less stringent regulations as the stocks have grown healthier.

The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission officially declared striped bass recovered in 1995. Recreational fishermen harvested 81 percent of the 36.47 million pound Atlantic harvest in 2006.

The North Carolina Division of Marine Fisheries lists the red drum stock as recovering. In 2006, North Carolina anglers harvested 216,115 pounds and commercial fishermen landed 168,489 pounds.

"There's no doubt that the President intends to take this action at the request of the CCA (Coastal Conservation Association)," said McKeon.

The CCA, an organization of sportfishermen and associated industries, began in Texas in 1977 with a campaign to make red drum, more commonly called redfish along the Gulf of Mexico, and speckled trout gamefish.

The group has secured gamefish designations in Texas, Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Louisiana and other states.

Josh Bowlen, legislative director for Rep. Walter B. Jones, told the Sentinel Monday that Jones believes the President plans to send a strong statement in support of strict conservation actions to the regional management councils, the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission, and state fishery agencies as early as next week.

"Congressman Jones has asked folks within the administration to keep in mind that more than one sector depends on access to these species and that livelihoods are at stake," said Bowlen.

Katie Hallaway, communications director for Senator Elizabeth Dole, said Dole has expressed concern to the White House about the negative impact to North Carolina's commercial fishermen and small businesses.

"We must work to ensure that fish populations, like red drum and striped bass, remain strong. However, our commercial fishermen should not solely bear the responsibility of maintaining healthy fish stocks in the Atlantic," said Senator Richard Burr.

Outer Banks commercial fishermen said gamefish designations don't impact just commercial fishermen.

"Gamefish status will deny access to this public trust resource to people who want to eat striped bass or red drum but don't have either the time or the money or the desire to go recreational fishing," said Rob West of Buxton.

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Pretty savvy article. Makes perfectsense to me.

Lets make all fishing- "sport fishing only" and we can all live rightnext to the water and play in it in our
fossil fuel burnin giddyup machines wearing cowboy hats yellin yahoo -I got me a biggun!!

Yes!! gamefish status for all fish...thats the solution- Dammit that GWsho is a smaht fella ;-)

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Old 10-19-2007, 11:31 AM
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Wow, where did this one come from, was this on anyones radar other than Stripers Forever? Funny isn't it, a hook and line fishery on a plentiful species is being shut down while bluefins are netted by the ton.....
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Maybe Bush Sr. is pissed because all he can manage catching in Kennabuckport are schoolies...So maybe its the trickle down effect..

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Keep commercial fishing out of the fluke too for three years.
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a healthy fishery wherein the recs kill between 4 & 7 times more that hook and line commercials do and they need protection? Stupid...

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Sorry guys, but I call BS on this story.

1st off, the only person who seems to know anything about this is the head of NCFA which is our states commercial fishing group. The only reporter is one for the Outer banks sentinel, which is mostly a mouth piece for the NCFA anyway..

2nd, both species already have possession prohibitions in the EEZ which is where an EO would have effect, so there is no need for one

3rd, the article suggests CCA is behind it but only quotes politicians and NCFA head, so it is unconfirmed. This particular reporterette has contact info for NC CCA but yet she did not get a comment from them?

4th one of the politician's lackeys said something to the effect that this will devastate fishermen in NC.. well in NC red drum is a bycatch only fishery with severe limitations so it really would not affect any of them

5th commercial striper fishing with rod and reel in NC is against the law (not related to the article but saw some responses talking about rod and reel comm fishing) so that would not have an affect down here either

I smell a rat in the reporting of this "story" from the obx sentinel. I think it is more of a rallying cry for the NCFA, but that is just a hunch

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Default Calm down folks nothing to see here but a lame duck

Bush to protect rockfish



Shows over.... it's just the fed waters, which are already off limits- this just makes it a little more permanent
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Squid Row - 10/19/2007 12:22 PMSorry guys, but I call BS on this story.


Smelly BS too, huh? Yep it's just dubya lookin like a good guy this weekend.

Maybe he and dick should do a little duck hunting this weekend?
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a healthy fishery wherein the recs kill between 4 & 7 times more that hook and line commercials do and they need protection? Stupid...

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thankfully, this ban is supposedly only going to apply to federal waters, where commercial fishing (or any fishing) for striped bass is already banned. regardless, this sets a bad precedent as far as I can tell.
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i spoke with someone today in the fishing mgmnt sector. and from what was relayed to me was commercial fishing still no problem (where it is legal) upon inshore waters (inside 3 miles) and this would "open" up the fed waters (eez) for rec fishing and ban the commercial ..we`ll see. the signing is tomorrow (sat), and should be posted on the white house website under executive orders by monday..
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If fed waters are open to rec fishing - this will ease a lot of tensions for the charter guys? But hey - if they are making money, aren't they just as commercial as the guys selling the fish? I mean with a charter, basically the fish are sold before they are caught, no?
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I just got notice that this is actually true, so I was wrong.

Redfish in the gulf, stripers on the east coast all in fed waters
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IMO, it is not about the catch it is about the by-catch. All the fish that will never make it when they are thrown back.

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Huh? The feds dont have a clue how to manage the the fluke fishery. Throw 2000 lbs overboard to keep 100. Thats the gov for yer. Have you ever seen the gov. manage anything properly? I dont plan on social security, they knew how to manage my funds better than I can.
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My parents were trying to get into the museum on sunday when he was signing it in their but they had it closed until he left!!
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