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Old 12-24-2006, 12:47 AM
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It looks like NMFS is taking issue with Grensticks used on Gen Cat boats in NC.



Green sticks issue has become sticky wicket
BY SUSAN WEST | SENTINEL STAFF

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Captain Fred Fox couldn't have been more surprised last month when National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) told him he would need longline fishing permits if he planned to continue to use a green stick to catch bluefin tuna.

"I've been using a green stick since the early 90s, and this was never an issue until this year," said the Wanchese fisherman.

Like Fox, other Outer Banks tuna fishermen have fished with green sticks under a general category, highly migratory angling, or highly migratory charter-boat tuna permit.

Although green stick gear is not defined in the federal regulations, a notice issued by NMFS in October states that the gear can be used to catch tunas and other highly migratory species.

The catch for Fox and other fishermen is that green sticks with three or more leaders are considered longline gear by NMFS.

And, to use longline gear to fish for tunas, NMFS requires three permits -- swordfish, shark, and tuna longline permits.

The sticky wicket for fishermen like Fox is that NMFS doesn't sell those permits, all three of which fall under limited access control. Fishermen need to find another fisherman willing to sell his or her permits.

The wicket gets stickier in light of the fact that longliners aren't allowed to target bluefin tuna, and NMFS has set a scale to control the incidental take of bluefin in the longline fishery.

Under that ratio, longliners can catch one bluefin for every 2,000 pounds of targeted catch, two for every 6,000 pounds, and three for every 30,000 pounds.

"I know that NMFS is interested in solving this issue," said Louis Daniel, special assistant to the director of the North Carolina Division of Marine Fisheries.

"I hope that can be done in an upcoming amendment with the development of a definition of green sticks that supports the use of this environmentally friendly gear," Daniel said.

Green sticks are fiberglass poles, running anywhere from 35 to 45 feet long and mounted to a boat's deck. A main line is attached to the pole and lures or baits on leader lines are snapped to the main line. The line is towed and the baits skip across the water's surface.

"A green stick is not a longline, even with seven or eight baits," explained longliner Jeff Oden.

"Green sticks are towed, and longlines aren't. Plus, baits on green sticks are not suspended in the water," explained the Hatteras fisherman.

Charles Midgett of Wanchese is credited with pioneering their use on the Outer Banks. Midgett first saw the sticks while on vacation in Hawaii in 1986, and worked for several years perfecting the gear.

A green stick can be green or purple or black or any other color. The gear is named for the olive hue of the original poles used by the Japanese.

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Thats dum... i have friends down there, with green sticks...... Its does catch GBFT
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That is absolutely ridiculous. How could you possibly try and call those a longline? Wow. Wake up, NMFS.

There are plenty of guys up here that use them too. People are not going to be happy about this one.
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HEY THOSE DOGFISH ARE ENDANGERED
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I came across this thing from NMFS which explains it all. I dont understand why having 3 or more hooks is "longline gear" and they dont really answer it. Its catches one fish at a time.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/hms/bro...ct%20Sheet.pdf
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Old 12-24-2006, 05:28 AM
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Wow...that sux...
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Just when you thought the talent-less hacks at nmfs were out of things to screw up, here comes this. Your tax dollars at work...

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Old 12-24-2006, 10:02 AM
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this, from those that have rod and reel rec. guys shut out of codfish, for the whole winter, while draggers and gillnetters are on the same grounds throwing over their overages daily, have dogfish protected while the ocean is overrun with them and they're eating us out of house and home,etc...etc.. and this surprises anyone? just more nonsense in an ever lengthening string of incompetentcies.
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It does not make sense and it just makes you scratch your head again. To me it is the same as
"What is wrong with allowing harpoon as an authorized gear type for charter/headboat catagory"? I don't see anything wrong with a guy going out looking if he does not have a charter. Maybe we would take a few more fish in this country and not loose quota.
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Oh Boy, LMFAO! I know it's not funny but, come on, is the NMFS really going use this one to justify their existence as a service to the public?

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NOW FOR A FLASHING NEWS REPORT FOR ALL TUNA FISHERMAN:

NMFS has made a major decision in regards to greensticks, stating they have more than three hooks and are considered a long line. With that information, it has led to new facts that fisherman in the Northeast must turn in their Sabicki Rigs as they have multiple hooks and are a longline when catching mackeral for bait.

Now back to you with more news from NMFS after this!
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They just keep getting dumber and dumber and dumber....







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Wait, is all this for real? Are they really enforcing this or are these just proposed sanctions? Whats the deal with sabiki rigs and mackeral trees?
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I think the sabikis and trees are safe to use....for the time being
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Fine with the trees and rigs for now, just making a point how silly things can get at times instead of using logic. Merry Christmas everyone.

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In all honesty, why is there a double standard? Why are 4 hooks on a green stick considered longline gear, but 4 hooks on your fishing rod not? Seems really dumb to me...
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It doesnt make any sense. The only thing you have to remember is that NMFS deals with bluefin fishing differently than a lot of other fisheries. Whereas they use an almost reckless mindset in fisheries like herring, they are really over cautious in anything bluefin related. They get massive pressure from all the enviiros trying to "save the poor bluefin from going extinct" and this translates into screwing US fishermen instead of doing something meaningful at ICCAT. They would rather take the easy step and hurt the US fishermen eventhough we are so tiny in #s that no matter what you do to us, nothing will change.

NMFS should get a clue, take care of the problem countries at ICCAT and stop wasting their time hurting US fishermen. This is a joke. NMFS proves its uselessness more and more evreyday. Last year they killed the fishery with days off and other restrictions, and then this year they take another step and outlaw greensticks? Just ridiculous. Our fishery in the US is tiny, clean, and more regulated than it needs to be; the rest of the world has no rules and does what it wants. And yet our managers continue to put the screws to us and maybe someday they will wake up and realize they have only done us all harm.

Oh well. Merry Christmas guys.
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Maybe they want to lower the 2100mt tuna allowance because noway will we hit it with the greenstick boats disallowed
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The green sticks dont add that much to the quota...... the boats from NY with the greensticks only catch a few fish on those sticks they get most of em, sitting on the Hook Chumming
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Regardless of how many are caught by green sticks, its the principle. There is no need to further curtail our little fishery. You can bet that the people at NMFS are using this to reduce effort and catches, they know enough to know these things arent anything like a longline.
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