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Old 03-20-2017, 12:26 PM   #1
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Default EPIRB mandated by feds?

I went by store today to pick up a PLB for me/boat . While I was there salesperson mentioned since I fish the ocean ( fed waters) I have to have a EPIRB for my boat. (not a PLB)
Is that true?
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No. He was wrong. No state or federal requirement for EPIRB on non-commercial boat.

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Thanks Guys! but to be sure , maybe I misunderstood their intent.

Were they saying a PLB will not WORK at Norfolk canyon?

BTW: https://www.westmarine.com/buy/acr-e...acon--13381207
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An EPIRB is designed to be associated with a vessel (EPIRB = Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon). A PLB is designed to be associated with a person who may travel anywhere, not just on the water (PLB = Personal Locator Beacon).

Do you only go fishing or offshore on one boat with multiple people? Then get the boat an EPIRB.

Do you go fishing on several different boats or go to remote locations in addition to boating? Then get a PLB.

Most EPIRBs float and will transmit when floating once activated. PLBs need to be held upright to transmit.

Personally, I have a PLB attached to my pfd, and an EPIRB in my ditch bag. If I fall over when alone I have my PLB with me.

Also buy your vessel some quality type I pfds along with a beacon. Type I's are not those cheap horse collars - they are big and heavy duty and will keep you afloat in heavy weather. One pfd for each passenger is required and type I's are required in principle when offshore if you are inspected (although this seems to be seldom enforced).

Finally, whoever gave you this information is not well informed.
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Thanks Capt for sharing. My question still stands. Could it be that maybe -- they were saying a PLB is not as good for offshore as a EPIRB?
I have 5 of these- https://www.westmarine.com/buy/kent-...r-90lb--112482

Edit: or maybe better put-- will a ERPIB have a better chance of getting me help if needed?

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One of the biggest differences between a PLB and EPIRB is battery life. Most PLBs are 3/4-1.5 days of transmission max. Most EPIRBs are 2-2.5 days.

For very remote boating -- beyond helo range, beyond CG rescue boat range, and far removed from shipping lanes -- an EPIRB is always preferable because rescue could be several days away.

Cruising sailors will typically always use EPIRBs because their boats have a lot more range than motorboaters. Many of them are crossing oceans.

If you are just running out to the Canyons in a motorboat a PLB is fine for an individual, although it's still a good idea to have an EPIRB for the boat/liferaft. But I would probably feel comfortable with just PLBs if everybody had one.
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One of the biggest differences between a PLB and EPIRB is battery life. Most PLBs are 3/4-1.5 days of transmission max. Most EPIRBs are 2-2.5 days.

For very remote boating -- beyond helo range, beyond CG rescue boat range, and far removed from shipping lanes -- an EPIRB is always preferable because rescue could be several days away.

Cruising sailors will typically always use EPIRBs because their boats have a lot more range than motorboaters. Many of them are crossing oceans.

If you are just running out to the Canyons in a motorboat a PLB is fine for an individual, although it's still a good idea to have an EPIRB for the boat/liferaft. But I would probably feel comfortable with just PLBs if everybody had one.

last year,, one of the guys that goes with me-- mentioned that he plans to get his own PLB also. I kinda feel this is the way to go..
( If I/you get a PLB it can go with me on any boat I/you fish on)
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EPIRB ON MY BOAT-self deploys and activates in an emergency sinking...PLB on each offshore life jacket on my boat...locates all crew in the water..

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http://www.thehulltruth.com/fishing-miscellaneous-items-commercial-sellers-only/818095-acr-plb-plb-rebates-till-3-31-a.html

Charlie, I just got by Epirb from the link above. Currently there is a rebate til the end of the month. The one your looking at was 190.00 after rebate. Great service also and a member. Pm if link don't work. I got the v4 which was 315.00 after rebate. Read that thread and it will help you decide.
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last year,, one of the guys that goes with me-- mentioned that he plans to get his own PLB also. I kinda feel this is the way to go..
( If I/you get a PLB it can go with me on any boat I/you fish on)
I agree -- smart for anyone going out regulalryl to have their own PLB. They are cheap insurance.

I fish solo fairly often in inshore/nearshore waters, and have a PLB that clips to my vest (along with a small handheld vhf.) That was the primary reason I got it.

But I also bring it with me when we head out to the banks on my brother's Wesmac 42, even though he has a self-deplying EPIRB and inspected liferaft. And I bring it along on hiking trips. It's a handy/versatile tool.
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http://www.thehulltruth.com/fishing-miscellaneous-items-commercial-sellers-only/818095-acr-plb-plb-rebates-till-3-31-a.html

Charlie, I just got by Epirb from the link above. Currently there is a rebate til the end of the month. The one your looking at was 190.00 after rebate. Great service also and a member. Pm if link don't work. I got the v4 which was 315.00 after rebate. Read that thread and it will help you decide.
Thanks b-man.. I sent him a PM. looking for floating ditch bag also see he has them!
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Ordered Thanks for the help guys!
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I got the SPOT gen 3 last year and would say it works, but not super efficient. I got that one because it has the ability to send pre-written text while offshore. My wife liked that idea, and MUCh cheaper than SAT phone.
After a full season of use, I will say you better get re-chargeable batts- above posting was correct, about day and half of use if you leave it on..
And the messages seem to actually go out anywhere from 10-25mins after I sent them. Now to be fair they are not sent on the same freq as an emergency, but if it really takes that long on the emergency that is not comforting, and could be the difference..

Yes, I agree PLB have there place, but I also agree the combo with an EPIRB should be onboard any boat that heads offshore regularly.. Just my 2cents
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Thanks Capt for sharing. My question still stands. Could it be that maybe -- they were saying a PLB is not as good for offshore as a EPIRB?
I have 5 of these- https://www.westmarine.com/buy/kent-...r-90lb--112482

Edit: or maybe better put-- will a ERPIB have a better chance of getting me help if needed?
A PLB uses the same technology (406 MHz locator signal) and the same Cospas Sarsat satellite network. A PLB will work wherever an EPIRB will.

The main differences between EPIRB's, even among EPIRB's and PLB's come down to battery life and the fact that an EPIRB is self righting, will float and does not require an antenna to be deployed, whereas a PLB's requires an antenna to be deployed and some models don't float without a floatation case. Some EPIRB's are self deploying, whereas all PLB's are manual activation. I like PLB's because they are small and can be clipped to a life vest or put in your pocket. In a perfect world, have both, but one of either is 100% better than none at all.

They will both get you rescued.
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I only have a PLB on board. My reasoning is that I can take it off the boat and bring it with me when I travel. I fish inshore, so the trade off in battery life versus portability with the PLB is acceptable to me. If I ever decide to start fishing offshore I'll invest in an EPIRB.

I clip my PLB to my PFD when I fish alone. Otherwise it lives in a ditch bag behind my helm seat along with a handheld VHF and a host of other survival supplies.

BTW - ACR makes a really nice floating ditch bag.
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A PLB uses the same technology (406 MHz locator signal) and the same Cospas Sarsat satellite network. A PLB will work wherever an EPIRB will.

The main differences between EPIRB's, even among EPIRB's and PLB's come down to battery life and the fact that an EPIRB is self righting, will float and does not require an antenna to be deployed, whereas a PLB's requires an antenna to be deployed and some models don't float without a floatation case. Some EPIRB's are self deploying, whereas all PLB's are manual activation. I like PLB's because they are small and can be clipped to a life vest or put in your pocket. In a perfect world, have both, but one of either is 100% better than none at all.

They will both get you rescued.
Great write up! And - Info to be shared!
I was kinda surprised when I read that you need to open the PLB and clip antenna into "arm" point toward sky.. I did make sure mine floats,, something you would think all do -- but not so!- Hell , as people if they swim (float) Just- as a matter of fact when they get on my boat!
BTW , guys my order arrived already! Fast shipping!
I do believe I will be getting a EPIRB also !

I just started running offshore last yr so kinda unsure whats needed..

Thanks again to all for great info!
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BTW, the large ditch bag is the size of a suit case that I would take on vacation for a week!
But by the time I put all my safety gear in and a few bottles of water- could be just right !
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I only have a PLB on board.......

I clip my PLB to my PFD when I fish alone. Otherwise it lives in a ditch bag behind my helm seat along with a handheld VHF and a host of other survival supplies.


Same here!!!! Clipped the ACR PLB to my hydrostatic inflatable life vest. I also added one of those electronic strobe flares to my ditch bag. And, like HeyCharlie, I included a couple of bottles of water. It can get a little expensive buying extra (non-required) safety items but I feel strong enough about safety to avoid agonizing over the cost.
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Same here!!!! Clipped the ACR PLB to my hydrostatic inflatable life vest. I also added one of those electronic strobe flares to my ditch bag. And, like HeyCharlie, I included a couple of bottles of water. It can get a little expensive buying extra (non-required) safety items but I feel strong enough about safety to avoid agonizing over the cost.
I'll be getting one of those electronic flares once my current set expires. You can never have enough safety gear!
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