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Old 01-29-2017, 02:38 PM   #21
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Spent an hour or so at the Cape this afternoon , no birds, not much bait, but the whales were putting on a great show. Just hard to believe that 10 or so years ago this was a world class fishery, thanks a ton Omega and the VA General Assembly for ruining the Ches Bay. Idiots.
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Old 01-29-2017, 03:16 PM   #22
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Thanks for the report. I'm sitting here talking about going with a friend. We'll take the wives, at least they can whale watch. You're right about 10 years ago. Back then, you couldn't get through the wall of diving gannets with 30 lb plus rockfish all around. Come February I'd run to False Cape and pound them. We can only hope and break our representative's balls.
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Anyone else think the reduction fishery could be contributing to the 3 dead whales that have washed up recently? http://pilotonline.com/news/local/en...8d43d36c8.html

The issue is that they are feeding in the shipping lanes, because that's where their food is. To me, it seems fair to draw a conclusion that the Menhaden are far more prevalent in shipping lanes because they are being sucked dry outside the shipping lanes by the reduction fishery.

If even just a few environmentalists, whale watchers or others associated with the love of animals get on board and start crying foul to the Gen Assy they are far more likely to be heard than the lowly angler crowd.
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Old 02-16-2017, 06:14 AM   #24
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The poor guy was just asking about Ocean Striper reports not Omega or what peoples theories on the fishery are. LOL
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The poor guy was just asking about Ocean Striper reports not Omega or what people's theories on the fishery are. LOL
And people are giving him reports.
And the reason for the lack of reports in which people are catching them.

I agree with you zam but people do need to vent their frustrations that the fish are not out there.
I hope the OP understands, and if not, hope he says "enough"

( the frustration is more localized to areas so drastically affected by Omega . Drawing on memory,,, Omega is allocated 85% of east coast's allotment, Guess where most of those menhaden come from? )

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I was trying to find an old thread in which this subject had come up, perhaps this was the wrong one. To the OP, the fish aren't here.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:56 AM   #27
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omega could be a small part of why a lot of the fish are staying in the EEZ, but I personally think it has more to do with evolution, they have learned that that area is a safe place, the fish that stayed within the 3 miles or the bay got killed, the ones that stay in the EEZ lived and had offspring with the same traits. It certainly has nothing to do with the Striper population, they are very plentiful
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This is where Omega fishes. I don't know if they're 100% the problem but there's no way it's a good thing. They're banned in EVERY state on the east coast except here. That's F'd up.
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omega could be a small part of why a lot of the fish are staying in the EEZ, but I personally think it has more to do with evolution, they have learned that that area is a safe place, the fish that stayed within the 3 miles or the bay got killed, the ones that stay in the EEZ lived and had offspring with the same traits. It certainly has nothing to do with the Striper population, they are very plentiful
There is no doubt that the Striper population is pretty healthy. Talking to the conch fisherman every year, I hear the same thing.

"Fish fer mihals!"

Or however they say it, can't half understand them.

The guys that make the late season runs to bottom fish say the same thing.

On the way south, the biomass pushes offshore.
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There is no doubt that the Striper population is pretty healthy. Talking to the conch fisherman every year, I hear the same thing.

"Fish fer mihals!"

Or however they say it, can't half understand them.

The guys that make the late season runs to bottom fish say the same thing.

On the way south, the biomass pushes offshore.
Lol, this is funny stuff...evolving rockfish developing 3 mile radar in 10 years and so thick you can walk across them!

Rockfish are as dumb as they come and follow the food source. As for health of the stock, yes there was a good juvenile class in 2015 but remains to be seen if they will see maturity. the 2011 didn't seem to produce much.

From NOAA: "Biomass: The striped bass spawning stock biomass (the population of females that are age 4 and up) along the Atlantic coast has declined since 2004 and was estimated at 128 million pounds in 2012. A period of strong recruitment (number of age 1 fish entering the population) that occurred from 1993 to 2003 was followed by lower recruitment from 2004 through 2009. 2011 was marked by a strong year-class, but there are early indications that the 2012 year-class was weak (Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission)."
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:27 AM   #31
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The 2011 fish produced. there were an incredible number of fish from 5" to 30" last season. everytime I went out I caught legal fish, some days you could catch legal size fish one after another all day long none stop
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Yeah, I even bought a DNR licenses from maryland to fish up that way..
It is,very noticeable difference the amount of strper up that way..What is the difference when you cross state lines?
Marland does not let Omega deplete the forage in its waters
Unfortunately for most VA beach guys that's one heck of a run up the bay.
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Mako 234- where did you get that ? Is it accurate? I would like to send to Del Knight in the GA if it is. That is batshit crazy!
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other line, just a quick internet search showed these places - and many others. Yes, it is shockingly Crazy , that it is allowed..
A very large percentage of the entire east coasts allotment of menhaden come from Va's waters
(80%? sorry I don't recall exact amount, I quit keeping up with numbers because it is crazy that nothing is done about it)

It's called localized depletion.

https://www.mission-blue.org/2015/12...tion-industry/
http://www.chesapeakebaydefenders.com/menhaden.html

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Mako 234- where did you get that ? Is it accurate? I would like to send to Del Knight in the GA if it is. That is batshit crazy!
Charlie's top link above
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Lol, this is funny stuff...evolving rockfish developing 3 mile radar in 10 years and so thick you can walk across them!

Rockfish are as dumb as they come and follow the food source. As for health of the stock, yes there was a good juvenile class in 2015 but remains to be seen if they will see maturity. the 2011 didn't seem to produce much.
I've seen the little radar domes on their heads!!

Of course they follow the bait. The bait isn't in the bay anymore.
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menhaden , the preferred forage for keeper sized rock, are depleted in most of Va's portion of bay..
There is an area of Va waters that Omega does not fish, that many very nice fish came from ( because forage for stiper is there) That area was fished hard during the rockfish tournament. You could see the boats hauling arse every morning to get there.
(I prefer 23-28" fish and did not fish area much, every time I got on fish a net boat would run in and drop net)

For those that wonder why I call them rock,"round here" - they are called Striper in fresh water and rock in salt water. rock and striper is interchangable
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btw, reason whales are here is boston mackerel.. Whale candy as my grandpa called it..
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btw, reason whales are here is boston mackerel.. Whale candy as my grandpa called it..
My brother catches those routinely in the NE and they are very good smoked. This is the first time I can remember them being here.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:10 PM   #40
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they are off Va beach every yr @ this time. Hear they are big this yr.
I have always heard they are nasty tasting-- unless you cut out lat line & smoke -- but may just go out with nice weather.
BTW, looking for chest freezer for bait/ice.

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