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Jay I'm glad you posted and I think you gave a good answer
Ludi, THANK YOU for the pictures, your the MAN .
As most of you know I own a Pacific 23 that is now 3 plus years old and it has been HAMMERED in the Pacific Ocean and the Gulf Coast from Texas to Florida...........
I'm here to tell ya these Alloy boats will take more POUNDING than any human can withstand and I will tell on myself.......My boat is the one that took on a Oil Rig , HEAD ON, that Jay mentioned and all it did was bend the Anchor roller a little [ a couple big wrenches fixed that in a few min. ] and let me tell ya we hit it hard enough to slide loaded 120 qt. coolers on non-skid deck to the bow locker and ya know what ? Not one weld broke , Lightning didn't hit it and the catch stayed cold.
I wont lie about it , come for a ride , I am real hard on docks and yes some of the Nyalic is rubbed off so now I have dark spots, oh well , I fish I don't wax and buff.
Now what do you think the above crashes would do to a Glass hull ?
Keep in mind when I drag my boat it's not to the local lake for just a couple hours , when I hit Florida fo 3 weeks she gets over 100 [ one hundred ] hours on just that trip alone just to drag there and back is 1800 miles for me .
Most of the time when fishing the coast I'm so tired I let other skippers work the helm, Bobby Wartman, Chris Grand, Tom Vandiver and others. My point here is that my boat is USED and it still aint broke.
I am using my Pacific to tell y'all how tough they are because Jay used these ideas and others to design and build the RockSalt 34. like better Alloy , thicker alloy and more.
Of course whats inside the boat or under it will be left up to the guy writing the check [ Read , specking the boat out to his personal wants and needs ]
I think untill one runs/rides the 34 , one should keep there mind open and do a little research on ALLOY and it's uses .
Sorry if I carried on , It's just that I LOVE my alloy.
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dukey - 2/19/2009 11:51 PMblacklabi'm open-minded and believe what you say. i just don't think that aesthetically the welds look good. i'd also think they create more drag than a smooth surface, but i would never doubt their strength. for those who need it i'm sure it's the smartest, safest way to go.
Smooth surface??? Aluminum is so smooth that it is sticky compared to glass I would bet that those welds help loosen this hull up if anything An Aluminum cooler that is insulated with half as much as an extreme type cooler will last just as long if not longer The reason is this Al on the outside will dissipate the heat and on the inside will reflect the cold back into itself The insulation will help to keep both conductive attributes working better than any glass cooler with the same amount of insulation
The looks are for the owner to decide How many hulls have a waterproof hatch for the anchor locker Not water resistant to 3 inches but totally waterproof like a navy ship??
Great detail in the bilge Jay Love the way you protected everything from getting stepped on Same with the running light up so no glare good stinking there Looks like you hit the performance# you were looking for The volvo tabs how much drag do they induce?? Do you need someone to run that for the summer for you at the Oak Bluffs???
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That is what I have been waiting for! I love this boat and what the boat ia all about. I too have been watching since the "birth" of this plate alloy beast. If You can step away from Your hang-ups about the welds, this is the perfect boat! It is fuel effecient, fast and has awesome range. It will outlast many glass boats and I think it carries very salty yet modern lines. As Jay said above, this boat is not for everyone, I understand that as well. I'll take mine in SeaFoam w/pods! Good luck...Awesome Boat.
Capt. Joe,
What was the response to your twin diesel inquiry?
Jay said "I'd love to build one for you".
That was after I gave him a laundry list of things I wanted to move, modify, and eliminate. Then I gave him my list of options that I wanted included (which was quite extensive).To be honest I didn't even look at the price at the show, and I'm waiting for a quote based on what I want done. I figure it should take a few weeks since the back end of the boat would have to be redesigned to fit the diesels and stern drives.
Plate alloy is what they build most Pilot boats with.. Strong yes they slam into ships 24/7. alsome boat any plans for one slightly smaller like 26-30 foot range ? what is the price range? cheers
I crawled all over this boat at the Miami show and had the pleasure of talking with Jay. He is real passionate about his boat and justifiably so. He has put a lot of time and effort into building a boat that is not just a knock-off of someone else's CC design. BTW I may be mistaken buy I believe the boat is going to be at the Albury yard in Florida until the Palm Beach Show and I plan on taking another look.
He, he, he.... I particularly like the part about the ugly welds coming apart - now that's funny!
George, don't let it bother you it's like the old Harley Davidson line about "for those who understand no explanation is necessary and for those that don't no explanation will do..." yet I explain for those with open minds....
I always find the anger at a product that doesn't fit our preconceived notions a bit unusual. Small-minded. Petty.
I see it all the time. A guy walks up to the boat and with a big ole-grin definitively states that that boat won't hold up in saltwater 'cause of all of the "electrolysis". "Must get awful hot!!" "Lightning will git you!!"
I take the time to explain galvanic and electrolystic corrosion, heat transfer, the farraday principle, etc. I further explain that welded aluminum alloy boats are the mainstay of the military, large yacht and workboat markets and the guy looks at me like I'm a liar. He's convinced that alloy equals freshwater jonboat and that's all there is to it! Won't be budged - has his mind made up. Closed for input.
The welds: not done to be pretty like a t-top but pretty does not equal strong. The welder's hand behind those welds has 4 US patents on welding including a very rare patent on a welding process. He's welded nuclear vessels from Brazil to Vermont. The company he started - Welding Services, Inc. is the world's largest specialty welding company and has over 1000 employees. If a lifetime guarantee isn't suitable I don't know what else to say. If you'd rather have a boat with a balsa-cored bottom that is warranteed for 5 years I wish you nothing but the best! Blistering, water intrusion, spider cracks, wavy bottoms, air voids, de-lamination - all fun stuff I'm sure.
These boats are made for a very small slice of the boating pie. Most boats in the 20'-70' recreational market get used less than 100 hours a year. They aren't taken out in rough conditions if possible and almost never contact another vessel, rocks, oil rigs. For this relatively light-duty usage fiberglass does very, very well and is very smooth and shiny to boot!
When people buy boats to go in harms way - Fire boats, Patrol Boats, Rescue Boats, Military Boats, Round the world sailors, etc - they primarily use alloy. Why? Bloody tough. When your life depends on the boat, when there's someone sinking or on fire in a hellish storm and you HAVE to go out you go in aluminum alloy.
Is it for everyone? Nope. Is it for most people? Nope. But if you use your boat hard, if you abuse your boat, if you must go in harms way then....
Lastly a small story...
I grew up with a commercial fisherman named Charlie Johnson. Charlie is a commercial swordfisherman who regulary travels in his 110' alloy boat 7,000 miles to fish off Uraguay, he fishes the Grand Banks and was out during the perfect storm (he taught Linda Greenlaw how to fish). He's owned the same boat for 22 years logging thousands and thousands and thousands of miles. He's somehow able to keep his catch (which is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars) cold in his aluminum boat, he's been in literal 50' seas and his alloy boat is still working.
Charlie chooses aluminum alloy - I wonder why?
i haven't seen these in my area (ny harbor). where are the primary markets?
I have a bunch of Alloy over at , www.aluminumalloyboats.com , check out the members list to see where there at and what they run.
If your not looking for alloy while your out on the water you don't see it. It's like buying a new truck , you think your the only one with one until you drive it to work on the 1st day and it seems like every other truck on the road looks just like yours.
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blacklabmarine - 2/19/2009 11:25 AMHe, he, he.... I particularly like the part about the ugly welds coming apart - now that's funny!George, don't let it bother you it's like the old Harley Davidson line about "for those who understand no explanation is necessary and for those that don't no explanation will do..." yet I explain for those with open minds....I always find the anger at a product that doesn't fit our preconceived notions a bit unusual. Small-minded. Petty.I see it all the time. A guy walks up to the boat and with a big ole-grin definitively states that that boat won't hold up in saltwater 'cause of all of the "electrolysis". "Must get awful hot!!" "Lightning will git you!!"I take the time to explain galvanic and electrolystic corrosion, heat transfer, the farraday principle, etc. I further explain that welded aluminum alloy boats are the mainstay of the military, large yacht and workboat markets and the guy looks at me like I'm a liar. He's convinced that alloy equals freshwater jonboat and that's all there is to it! Won't be budged - has his mind made up. Closed for input.The welds: not done to be pretty like a t-top but pretty does not equal strong. The welder's hand behind those welds has 4 US patents on welding including a very rare patent on a welding process. He's welded nuclear vessels from Brazil to Vermont. The company he started - Welding Services, Inc. is the world's largest specialty welding company and has over 1000 employees. If a lifetime guarantee isn't suitable I don't know what else to say. If you'd rather have a boat with a balsa-cored bottom that is warranteed for 5 years I wish you nothing but the best! Blistering, water intrusion, spider cracks, wavy bottoms, air voids, de-lamination - all fun stuff I'm sure.These boats are made for a very small slice of the boating pie. Most boats in the 20'-70' recreational market get used less than 100 hours a year. They aren't taken out in rough conditions if possible and almost never contact another vessel, rocks, oil rigs. For this relatively light-duty usage fiberglass does very, very well and is very smooth and shiny to boot!When people buy boats to go in harms way - Fire boats, Patrol Boats, Rescue Boats, Military Boats, Round the world sailors, etc - they primarily use alloy. Why? Bloody tough. When your life depends on the boat, when there's someone sinking or on fire in a hellish storm and you HAVE to go out you go in aluminum alloy.Is it for everyone? Nope. Is it for most people? Nope. But if you use your boat hard, if you abuse your boat, if you must go in harms way then....Lastly a small story...I grew up with a commercial fisherman named Charlie Johnson. Charlie is a commercial swordfisherman who regulary travels in his 110' alloy boat 7,000 miles to fish off Uraguay, he fishes the Grand Banks and was out during the perfect storm (he taught Linda Greenlaw how to fish). He's owned the same boat for 22 years logging thousands and thousands and thousands of miles. He's somehow able to keep his catch (which is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars) cold in his aluminum boat, he's been in literal 50' seas and his alloy boat is still working. Charlie chooses aluminum alloy - I wonder why?
i haven't seen these in my area (ny harbor). where are the primary markets?
Hull#1 is this one here
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blacklabmarine - 2/19/2009 11:25 AMHe, he, he.... I particularly like the part about the ugly welds coming apart - now that's funny!George, don't let it bother you it's like the old Harley Davidson line about "for those who understand no explanation is necessary and for those that don't no explanation will do..." yet I explain for those with open minds....I always find the anger at a product that doesn't fit our preconceived notions a bit unusual. Small-minded. Petty.I see it all the time. A guy walks up to the boat and with a big ole-grin definitively states that that boat won't hold up in saltwater 'cause of all of the "electrolysis". "Must get awful hot!!" "Lightning will git you!!"I take the time to explain galvanic and electrolystic corrosion, heat transfer, the farraday principle, etc. I further explain that welded aluminum alloy boats are the mainstay of the military, large yacht and workboat markets and the guy looks at me like I'm a liar. He's convinced that alloy equals freshwater jonboat and that's all there is to it! Won't be budged - has his mind made up. Closed for input.The welds: not done to be pretty like a t-top but pretty does not equal strong. The welder's hand behind those welds has 4 US patents on welding including a very rare patent on a welding process. He's welded nuclear vessels from Brazil to Vermont. The company he started - Welding Services, Inc. is the world's largest specialty welding company and has over 1000 employees. If a lifetime guarantee isn't suitable I don't know what else to say. If you'd rather have a boat with a balsa-cored bottom that is warranteed for 5 years I wish you nothing but the best! Blistering, water intrusion, spider cracks, wavy bottoms, air voids, de-lamination - all fun stuff I'm sure.These boats are made for a very small slice of the boating pie. Most boats in the 20'-70' recreational market get used less than 100 hours a year. They aren't taken out in rough conditions if possible and almost never contact another vessel, rocks, oil rigs. For this relatively light-duty usage fiberglass does very, very well and is very smooth and shiny to boot!When people buy boats to go in harms way - Fire boats, Patrol Boats, Rescue Boats, Military Boats, Round the world sailors, etc - they primarily use alloy. Why? Bloody tough. When your life depends on the boat, when there's someone sinking or on fire in a hellish storm and you HAVE to go out you go in aluminum alloy.Is it for everyone? Nope. Is it for most people? Nope. But if you use your boat hard, if you abuse your boat, if you must go in harms way then....Lastly a small story...I grew up with a commercial fisherman named Charlie Johnson. Charlie is a commercial swordfisherman who regulary travels in his 110' alloy boat 7,000 miles to fish off Uraguay, he fishes the Grand Banks and was out during the perfect storm (he taught Linda Greenlaw how to fish). He's owned the same boat for 22 years logging thousands and thousands and thousands of miles. He's somehow able to keep his catch (which is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars) cold in his aluminum boat, he's been in literal 50' seas and his alloy boat is still working. Charlie chooses aluminum alloy - I wonder why?
i haven't seen these in my area (ny harbor). where are the primary markets?
** Hull#1 is this one here
looks nice. couldn't make a conclusion based on photos, but the construction looks quality. what's the $$ on this (w/o the crew of course).
Re: ROCK SALT 2009
and ya know what ? Not one weld broke , Lightning didn't hit it and the catch stayed cold.
Looks like you hit the performance# you were looking for The volvo tabs how much drag do they induce?? Do you need someone to run that for the summer for you at the Oak Bluffs???
Plenty of them still around.
