New Whaler model ......... 370 Outrage video on the water - Page 2

Schmaltz~Herring · 02-14-2009, 11:17 AM

I would say the Whaler is probably much heavier than the others in it's class, foam weighs a LOT! Certainly could not be the 1/4" skin.

Glen E · 02-14-2009, 11:43 AM

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jtburf - 2/14/2009 12:45 PM

Branding plane and simple ... Glen you of all folks should see that!

John

branding is important and will snare some (idiots) at this price but if I took a 3 series and priced it twice the competition, I would see branding not make a damn bit of difference. When you ask the corp biz brains with phd's (like from McKinsey) what branding is worth, they say max 15% above the competition in the mass production arena....

kitebuz · 02-14-2009, 01:20 PM

Ouch - I thought they were @ the $350k mark (from their website) - which is expensive enough. Afraid I would be going for a Yellowfin 42 at that price point.

What rpm are they turning to get 35mph - it must be 4500-5000 to hit 16.6 gph - hard to believe w/ 3 x V300's strapped to the back...

patrickg · 02-14-2009, 02:45 PM

That is a beautiful design and the price is a bit too high. If they had it around 350 I imagine it would be a huge seller. I am surprised by how well 40 foot boats with outboards have caught on.

ctoolman · 02-14-2009, 03:25 PM

while i love whalers and regret the day i got rid of mine,for that amount $$$ i would have something with a diesel.

PtJudeRI · 02-14-2009, 05:00 PM

That's a lot of $$$ for not too much boat in that size range... hmmm... Im thinking no....

jsgrise · 02-14-2009, 06:03 PM

you can't compare a BW and a Yellowfin or Contender or Sea Vee, not the same hull/deck design at all, not the same purpose. BW is a safe and stable familly fishing boat and the others more fishing machien with no compromise on fishing ability. Being a BW construction fan, I don't think I would pay 400K (with taxes) for a 37' CC boat... Even if my name was Guy Laliberte...

23Dorado · 02-14-2009, 06:39 PM

That storage in front of the console is retarded. At first I thought it was for a stand up below deck area but then he opened the hatch.

spearfish3 · 02-14-2009, 06:43 PM

While BW does not normally compete with YF or SV, this boat is designed with a 24 degree hull and supposed to be a fish boat. The YF42 (cheaper) has many amenties that target both the hardcore fisherman and the one with a family. The same goes for the 39 SV with fwd seating, nice head in the console, dive door, etc. Intrepid which is known to be this type of boat also does similar for less.

It is a NICE boat, but the hull design still has the massive chines which lead to a hard ride. Sure it is safe and stable, but do you really hear of problems about stability and safety in YF, SV, Intrepid, etc? No. It works on smaller boats, but this is in a different league. I just think if you are going to go after the 36+ CC crowd, you should have a hull design that is not a kidney buster.

makosteve66 · 02-14-2009, 09:49 PM

I love some of the features - but not sure that I would want all of them - even if I had the $$. The table in the front, ok - but I do not need it to be electric. The day I can't lower it manually is the day that I should no longer be fishing offshore. I like the steps/raised footholds on the console - as well as the ability to have a raised helm deck. Retractable, electric sunshades - nice, but not needed, and IMO something else to break. Home much extra shade do the actually provide? I think I would rather have extra shade extend aft from the hardtop - this way someone at the rigging station or just manning the 'pit and facing aft while trolling can have the added shade, not the people already under the hardtop at the helm. And again how hard would it be to pull out a manual shade if wanted.

If I had the scratch for that rig there are a lot of other layouts I would prefer. If I were going super-sized CC I would definitely want more speed. If I were going to go with a boat with a cruise speed (and MPG!) similar to this, I would rather go with a more substantial cabin. Nice to see some thinking outside the box though.

jsgrise · 02-14-2009, 09:50 PM

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spearfish3 - 2/14/2009 5:43 PM

While BW does not normally compete with YF or SV, this boat is designed with a 24 degree hull and supposed to be a fish boat. The YF42 (cheaper) has many amenties that target both the hardcore fisherman and the one with a family. The same goes for the 39 SV with fwd seating, nice head in the console, dive door, etc. Intrepid which is known to be this type of boat also does similar for less.

It is a NICE boat, but the hull design still has the massive chines which lead to a hard ride. Sure it is safe and stable, but do you really hear of problems about stability and safety in YF, SV, Intrepid, etc? No. It works on smaller boats, but this is in a different league. I just think if you are going to go after the 36+ CC crowd, you should have a hull design that is not a kidney buster.

I got you on this one, but I still think BW are not TRUE fishing boats (I own one and I'm thinking of trading it). If you want to fish, cruise, stay dry, I would go for it. If you want to catch/release as many fish as possible without anything in the way to bust your balls, go with a SV, Contender, YF, etc.

Wolakrab · 02-15-2009, 04:09 PM

Some neat stuff on that boat....I like the tackle center, and the side door. Get rid of the electrical goodies that are going to break in the first year or two(probably just after the warranty expires), redesign that hull, and knock at least $100K off the price and they may sell more than just a few. That hull makes my back ache just looking at it....those reverse chines make it a drier ride, but I rather be wet than busted up.
It does look like an Everglades clone....

kerno · 02-15-2009, 09:23 PM

The good, the bad and the ugly:

I liked several things about the boat. I felt many other things were poorly thought out. First, a compliment: The telescoping canopy that comes out of the back of the t-top is great. I've seen it on bigger boats. It is good to see it on smaller ones.

The back of the leaning post/tackle center has the live well and the electric barbecue grille on the same level and near each other, open the live well and if the boat rocks, the barbecue gets a bath. The generator sits in the back and low in the bilge. The box that says "electronics, do not wash" will be the first thing to get bathed with any water in the bilge. Hello?

I tend to be critical of wiring, especially when it is not properly supported or bundled. Does this look like the wiring on a $400,000 boat?

Who figured a sharp edged vessel sink was a good idea? Probably the same person that though the head was ugly, so they covered it with a cushion you have to remove to use it.

makosteve66 · 02-15-2009, 10:13 PM

[quote]kerno - 2/15/2009 11:23 PM

I tend to be critical of wiring, especially when it is not properly supported or bundled. Does this look like the wiring on a $400,000 boat?

I would still be running. That is just disgraceful. Someone should lose their job over that, and not the person/persons who actually did the work, but rather the person that makes the decisions to allow work like that to go out with the finished project. On first look it appears that they spared no expense on that boat. That is obviously not the case. What else was done half-arsed?

Oh, I stand corrected on the sun shade- for some absurd reason after I saw the video I though the shade came out the sides and I was wondering why it would not extend aft. I was wrong. Neat feature.

Wet-n-Wiley · 02-15-2009, 10:28 PM

I remember the price listed as $358,995 but not sure with what options.

kerno · 02-15-2009, 10:35 PM

OK, it is a $359,000 boat with that wiring. I've owned two Whalers and never owned a SeaVee, but I did look at the wiring on many boats at the show. Here's the SeaVee for comparison:

PtJudeRI · 02-15-2009, 10:50 PM

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kerno - 2/16/2009 12:35 AM

OK, it is a $359,000 boat with that wiring. I've owned two Whalers and never owned a SeaVee, but I did look at the wiring on many boats at the show. Here's the SeaVee for comparison:

See, now that is nice... Neat, organized, labeled... The way a quality product should look... In this economy, quality will survive over other products... I would think that will all the reduced sales, companies would have more time to work on their product, and make sure every detail looked perfect... and if not for all the production product, at least for the Boat Show model... WTF, if that was BW's show model, imagine what they will do to a production boat...

kitebuz · 02-16-2009, 07:26 AM

I suspect they rushed it to get to the show. The website says available summer '09. Still, kinda shooting themselves in the foot showing work like that. What does the other "in-production" models of Whaler wiring look like?

jsgrise · 02-16-2009, 07:33 AM

That wiring looks like crap. Disgraceful. Unprofessionnal. Getting my boat like that after having paid close to 400k$, you can be sure that I would leave it at the dealer and ask them go at Sea Vee or YF to get some wiring class.

Wet-n-Wiley · 02-16-2009, 08:19 AM

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jsgrise - 2/16/2009 9:33 AM

That wiring looks like crap. Disgraceful. Unprofessionnal. Getting my boat like that after having paid close to 400k$, you can be sure that I would leave it at the dealer and ask them go at Sea Vee or YF to get some wiring class.

Yeah, and the reality is they could have hired some stereo-kid for $100 to fix that mess.

That wiring looked the same as what my 1981 Jeep did.