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Old 03-18-2017, 06:05 AM   #1
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Has anyone seen a comparison of the 650 and 750 series? I'm on a boat now with 750 and other than the Bluetooth being very weak I like it a lot. I'm on their site trying to figure out the differences, without much luck. An inquiry to them has yielded no result after several days. Is that what support is like?

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I think the big one is 650 is 3 zones and 750 is 4. So it depends how many rooms you have.
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When you say bluetooth being weak what do you mean? Short range? I'm considering the same radios also.
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When you say bluetooth being weak what do you mean? Short range? I'm considering the same radios also.
Yes short range, my iphone has to be 12-15 ft away or it has choppy sound when streaming. The app seems to work a little further away for controlling the radio's features. Overall I like it, being able to control it from the chartplotter is nice. Can't seem to connect a samsung phone via BT though. could be the phone... The multi zone volume is also a nice feature.

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Thanks Scott,
Multi zone volume, app and BT are the reasons I'm looking at the Fusion.
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Bluetooth on those units isn't in the headunit itself, it comes from an add-on accessory called a MS-BT100 or MS-BT200. If range of the bluetooth is an issue, I suspect is placement of that. Check if the MS-BT100/200 is mounted somewhere where you might have the signal being blocked, weakened or interference.
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My Fusion Bluetooth works 20-30' off/away from the boat. FYI. Correct it's a little $50 adapter that plugs into head unit. Something isn't working right with one you were using.
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had fusion in the last boat with the bluetooth adapter and i could walk around 30-40' away from the boat before it cut out. as mixed nuts said, check placement and possible interference.

how big is your boat? if its being mounted down in a cabin and you are having issue above deck/on the dock, you may need to re-position.

do any of fusions units have wifi connectivity yet? may be better than bluetooth!
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Bluetooth on those units isn't in the headunit itself, it comes from an add-on accessory called a MS-BT100 or MS-BT200. If range of the bluetooth is an issue, I suspect is placement of that. Check if the MS-BT100/200 is mounted somewhere where you might have the signal being blocked, weakened or interference.
The 750 Series has Bluetooth Built-in. No additional module is required.
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Bluetooth on those units isn't in the headunit itself, it comes from an add-on accessory called a MS-BT100 or MS-BT200. If range of the bluetooth is an issue, I suspect is placement of that. Check if the MS-BT100/200 is mounted somewhere where you might have the signal being blocked, weakened or interference.
The newer models have it built in
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The newer models have it built in
Ah, I stand corrected. I thought this might be the case at first, so I checked the Fusion site before I initially posted...went to the 750 page and clicked 'accessories' and the MS-BT100 and 200 popped up. What I failed to notice is the accessories page is 'accessories in general', not specific to the particular head unit.

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Fusion denies it, but I think the built-in BT on the 750's is weak. I have the head-unit in the salon. BT cuts out at the companionway door 15' away, and doesn't work at all in the cockpit. I use WiFi instead.

Multi-zone control is awesome.
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Fusion denies it, but I think the built-in BT on the 750's is weak. I have the head-unit in the salon. BT cuts out at the companionway door 15' away, and doesn't work at all in the cockpit. I use WiFi instead.

Multi-zone control is awesome.
Thanks for that I spoke to them today and they set my expectation to the 15'. When you use wifi are you able to stream music from spotify or similar via that wifi connection?

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For 8 years I have run the 650 with the internal ipod connection, 4 seven inch speakers, a ten inch woofer, and the 5 channel amp. It was and still is the best bang for the dollar
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Thanks for that I spoke to them today and they set my expectation to the 15'. When you use wifi are you able to stream music from spotify or similar via that wifi connection?

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can you add the bt adapter any ways so it can be placed somewhere more central?

i am curious about the wifi too... what do you get with it... can you stream directly from your phone... spotify... etc?
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Fusion itself doesn't offer WiFi. The 650 and 750 units have an RJ45 port to connect the head unit to an access point/router on the boat using an ethernet cable.

When the router has an internet connection, all options are open: your phones and tablets can stream content from that connection and use WiFi to output that to the Fusion, and/or use the Fusion-Link app to control the unit. Because of the range of WiFi, essentially any device close enough to the boat to hear the music will likely be close enough to access WiFi. (depending of course on the amps and speakers, so your results may vary!) Of course the devices can also stream via WiFi and connect to the Fusion via BT (not that you'd want to).

Aside from the range, the other significant benefit of WiFi instead of BT is the ability to have multiple devices using the FusionLink app at the same time.

There are lots of variables with the internet access part... Depending on the device, the app and the settings, it is possible to connect to an onboard network that doesn't have internet access, and use cellular data to stream content. To do that you'll have to consider things like the cost of the data plan and powering the AP/router from the vessel's 12 volt power, or running the genny/inverter in the absence of shore power.

I have used a T-Mobile hotspot because of their unlimited streaming policy and have bridged that to the boat's network to get music and Netflix at transient docks. Word of warning though: my SSID includes the boat's name. As a result, I've been asked by several strangers for my WiFi password so they and their kids can access it.
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Fusion itself doesn't offer WiFi. The 650 and 750 units have an RJ45 port to connect the head unit to an access point/router on the boat using an ethernet cable.

When the router has an internet connection, all options are open: your phones and tablets can stream content from that connection and use WiFi to output that to the Fusion, and/or use the Fusion-Link app to control the unit. Because of the range of WiFi, essentially any device close enough to the boat to hear the music will likely be close enough to access WiFi. (depending of course on the amps and speakers, so your results may vary!) Of course the devices can also stream via WiFi and connect to the Fusion via BT (not that you'd want to).

Aside from the range, the other significant benefit of WiFi instead of BT is the ability to have multiple devices using the FusionLink app at the same time.

There are lots of variables with the internet access part... Depending on the device, the app and the settings, it is possible to connect to an onboard network that doesn't have internet access, and use cellular data to stream content. To do that you'll have to consider things like the cost of the data plan and powering the AP/router from the vessel's 12 volt power, or running the genny/inverter in the absence of shore power.

I have used a T-Mobile hotspot because of their unlimited streaming policy and have bridged that to the boat's network to get music and Netflix at transient docks. Word of warning though: my SSID includes the boat's name. As a result, I've been asked by several strangers for my WiFi password so they and their kids can access it.
thank you for the insight

FYI AT&T is offering a standalone $20 unlimited data plan (de-prioritized after 22GB): http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...l#post10091882
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You get an extra zone (or two maybe) with the 750 and I believe an extra input. You also have a color screen vs a normal LCD screen. We have the 650 being on a CC boat we did not need the extra zones and having a color screen had no value for us. For a larger vessel with zones and what not, I would do the 750.
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My UD-750 has 2 aux inputs and 2 USB inputs and 4 zones.

I use the zones a LOT. I have several cockpit speakers right at "ear level". For years those speakers determined the lowest common denominator of volume for the comfort of the people who had a speaker pointed at their head.

By splitting the cockpit into 2 zones, the ear-level ones can be set lower than the rest, and everyone enjoys a comfortable volume. I also split the salon from the master stateroom, so I can crash for the night in peace without ending the party.
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