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Old 03-16-2017, 07:29 AM   #21
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You can add the RMK-10 keypad to the Axiom which has the same buttons as the eS series. It is not entry level equipment at all, its just targeted to a certain customer. It's built in sonar is feature packed for shallow water fishing. The vast majority of fisherman don't fish offshore. High Wide Chirp sonar, DownVision, SideVision and 3D sonar all in one display with one transducer. It's fully networkable and expandable with other displays(as soon as LH3 is released to them) and radars/sounders. It has a fast new quad core processor and sleek new operating system. The transducers have gyro stabilization to clean up the 3D sonar image in choppy water... What about this is entry level to you? It may not be perfect for every boater but don't trash it just because you own something different.
Again, the sounder is great and I wish/hope there was a black box version of it.
I'm not saying the unit is not good, and I agree that it is awesome for some users out there.
These are designed to last until 2022 and the replacements for the eS and gS between now and then will establish themselves as mid and upper range units, leaving these current Axiom as the entry level. If these were told of the line they would come in larger screen sizes.
The software is also great but it will make it's way to the other current units over the summer.
Please be aware that the initial release of the software on the Axiom will not support C-Map and will not have tides built in. This should be fixed at the next release (when it also makes it to eS/gS/e/a)
I don't own something different, I install electronics on boats and know better than to own a boat myself.
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:52 AM   #22
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The eS series doesn't have a screen bigger than 12 inch, does that make it an entry level unit? The eS is also only 1 year old, so I don't see a replacement imminent. Entry level vs top level arguments don't really apply here. There are different models that fit different customer needs. There is no one size fits all approach in these electronics as boats come in different types and sizes and boaters look for different features from their electronics.

To say that future products will eclipse this product in features is obvious and irrelevant. This unit has more features than Raymarine has ever offered and hasn't even shipped yet.

If you had to call a product entry level, the term is more reserved for dragonfly, Hook, and echomap series products. The Axiom is a very capable MFD and to refer to it as entry level seems dismissive and naive.
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Looks like a nice unit. The RM website provides the options for charting software but only Navionics is in their price list. Can you please tell me if the Axiom will be compatible with CMap 4D Max + chips?

Also, will it be possible to use my existing B60 transducer with the Axiom? I'm looking at one 12" and a 9"

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Old 03-19-2017, 09:47 AM   #24
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Looks like a nice unit. The RM website provides the options for charting software but only Navionics is in their price list. Can you please tell me if the Axiom will be compatible with CMap 4D Max + chips?

Also, will it be possible to use my existing B60 transducer with the Axiom? I'm looking at one 12" and a 9"

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The link directly from the RM Axiom website does show that it will use the CMap Max+ charts.
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Can you hook up the CP470/570 to this?
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Can you hook up the CP470/570 to this?
It is my understanding you can. You can run two ducers off of it
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John yes you can.
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Will this unit in 7" be a better buy than a 7" Simrad NSS Evo 2 ? I'm aware its touch screen only compared to the Simrad touch/buttons functions.

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Will this unit in 7" be a better buy than a 7" Simrad Evo 2 XSE ? I'm aware its touch screen only compared to the Simrad touch/buttons functions.
There is no such unit. There is the Simrad NSS Evo2​ and Evo3​, there is the Simrad Go7 XSE and Simrad Go 9 XSE
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There is no such unit. There is the Simrad NSS Evo2​ and Evo3​, there is the Simrad Go7 XSE and Simrad Go 9 XSE
There is no 7" Ramarine Axiom ?
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There is no 7" Ramarine Axiom ?
Yes but there is no unit that you were asking for the comparison between
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Yes but there is no unit that you were asking for the comparison between
OK , I corrected my original post to NSS Evo 2., that is what I meant.
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its a funny one. in a way th eaxiom sort of sits below the simrad and carbons and garmin 74/76xx series
it doesnt have buttons though they can be added on
it doesnt run a single chirp transducer...in the same guise as the others
however it does have 3d built into a single transducer.. thats a win
its processor is very fast... but does seem to still have a few features less than the simrads..

id say.. its positioned BELOW the simrad/garmin/carbons
ive seen some interesting combo package prices for carbons with ss3d kids and 83200 transducers that look to give the axiom a bit of a run for its money price wise,
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Yes but there is no unit that you were asking for the comparison between
How about a comparison or an opinion now that I corrected my post ?
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It would be really interesting if the Axiom s/w supported the older MFD, like aSeries, with gyro stabilized sonar readings from older CHIRP and regular sonars. If the aSeries don't have builtin pitch and roll sensors, maybe a NMEA2k or SeaTalk add on sensor could be used to provide the pitch/roll data and the s/w could compensate. It seems like it would be relatively simple to do as an improvement to older sonars and it would 'clean' up the bottom picture when the boat is rocking and rolling.
edit: don't most heading sensors for a/p have pitch/roll/yaw sensors in them?

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[QUOTE=chocolatemoose;10116923]its a funny one. in a way th eaxiom sort of sits below the simrad and carbons and garmin 74/76xx series
it doesnt have buttons though they can be added on
it doesnt run a single chirp transducer...in the same guise as the others
however it does have 3d built into a single transducer.. thats a win
its processor is very fast... but does seem to still have a few features less than the simrads..

id say.. its positioned BELOW the simrad/garmin/carbons
ive seen some interesting combo package prices for carbons with ss3d kids and 83200 transducers that look to give the axiom a bit of a run for its money

So are the carbons positioned a cut ABOVE the Axiom or do they just give it a bit of run for its money ?
I have to pull the trigger on a unit soon and unfortunately can't make an educated decision so any detail and knowledgeable information that can help would be greatly appreciated.
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its a funny one. in a way th eaxiom sort of sits below the simrad and carbons and garmin 74/76xx series
it doesnt have buttons though they can be added on
it doesnt run a single chirp transducer...in the same guise as the others
however it does have 3d built into a single transducer.. thats a win
its processor is very fast... but does seem to still have a few features less than the simrads..

id say.. its positioned BELOW the simrad/garmin/carbons
ive seen some interesting combo package prices for carbons with ss3d kids and 83200 transducers that look to give the axiom a bit of a run for its money

So are the carbons positioned a cut ABOVE the Axiom or do they just give it a bit of run for its money ?
I have to pull the trigger on a unit soon and unfortunately can't make an educated decision so any detail and knowledgeable information that can help would be greatly appreciated.
well going on specs...its a bit like this

Screen quality.. Resolution goes to Carbon. Brightness goes to Axiom, touch function...ive only played with pre production axioms.. but they were a bit iffy. so.. perhaps carbon for that "untill we can see side by side"

processing power... axioms 4 core beats carbons 2 core "And clockspeed"

sonar . carbon has 2x 600w CHIRP capability with structure scan, can be networked with simrad s5100 and structure scan 3d. Axiom has single chirp "300w??" high frequency??". with side/down vision and real 3d plus stabilziation.... can handle a 600w separate. the plug on the axiom is HUGE and i think will be a bit funky for some people going through a transom.........so ......................i think carbon has the edge there as well

mapping... both are pretty good, raymarine has a few more channel gps antenna.

connectivity.. carbon has the nmea;s ethernet, wifi and bluetooth . axiom has nmea's raynet and wifi

accessories. HDS has radar 3/4g. ss3d, fusionlink,polk, rockford, etc sonic hub, xi5 support, lowrance autopilot support, spotlight sonar, and nmea probes,sensors

axiom has autopilot, radar, thermal camera support, sonar module support, external RMK10 support, fusionlink(soon), rockford fostgate support, nmea sensors.
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well going on specs...its a bit like this

Screen quality.. Resolution goes to Carbon. Brightness goes to Axiom, touch function...ive only played with pre production axioms.. but they were a bit iffy. so.. perhaps carbon for that "untill we can see side by side"

processing power... axioms 4 core beats carbons 2 core "And clockspeed"

sonar . carbon has 2x 600w CHIRP capability with structure scan, can be networked with simrad s5100 and structure scan 3d. Axiom has single chirp "300w??" high frequency??". with side/down vision and real 3d plus stabilziation.... can handle a 600w separate. the plug on the axiom is HUGE and i think will be a bit funky for some people going through a transom.........so ......................i think carbon has the edge there as well

mapping... both are pretty good, raymarine has a few more channel gps antenna.

connectivity.. carbon has the nmea;s ethernet, wifi and bluetooth . axiom has nmea's raynet and wifi

accessories. HDS has radar 3/4g. ss3d, fusionlink,polk, rockford, etc sonic hub, xi5 support, lowrance autopilot support, spotlight sonar, and nmea probes,sensors

axiom has autopilot, radar, thermal camera support, sonar module support, external RMK10 support, fusionlink(soon), rockford fostgate support, nmea sensors.

Thanks for the details moose, now all I have to do is get someone to translated some of that for me to fully understand it before I make my final decision. I had it narrowed down to a reman Simrad NSS Evo 2 with a total scan ducer before I came across this thread but i guess that's the nature of the beast with electronics and technology, if you wait there is always something new coming out. It's a complicated world we're living in !
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The Axiom 2D sounder is inferior compared to Garmin, Lowrance and Simrad. It's a combination of the sounders from eSx7 and eSx8. It can use Airmar CW transducers but not Airmar CHIRP transducers. Raymarine don't offer any low Q-factor CHIRP transducer, it's the same transducer element used since introduction of DragonFly. Axiom 2D sounder is comparable with Lowrance entry level model Hook, Carbon is at least two steps up.
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i agree with abbor.. i feel the axiom will be a groovy system for people who want decent... across the board level quality but not GREAT across the board.
the carbon and evo 3 and garmins do have a technical punch.

that said. when paired with a CP470 or 570... the axiom does then have rather good sonar qualities.
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