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Old 03-08-2017, 03:58 PM   #41
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I stand corrected. That detail is from a 2015.5 Garmin G2 Vision card. I am using Todd's suggestion and have requested a screen shot from the latest G2 HD card to compare. I'll post back up when I receive it.
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I stand corrected. That detail is from a 2015.5 Garmin G2 Vision card. I am using Todd's suggestion and have requested a screen shot from the latest G2 HD card to compare. I'll post back up when I receive it.
What area are you? I can post a shot here for you if I have the map.
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fishbadger .....

Not sure where in the NW you are so here are two areas Columbia River and Strait of Juan de Fuca .....

G2 Columia River ....







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Strait of Jaun de Fuca ....

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G2 HD for the remaining screen shots ....



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Bluewater thanks for doing this. Id say it's pretty obvious there's a big difference from g2 bluechart to g2 bluechart HD. I think seeing is believing. I know the middle grounds picture is accurate. CMOR is nice but doesn't work on a Garmin. From what I gather it's also $700 for that one tiny area. Not so sure I would spring for that being that it's not hard to find fish or structure on the grounds. Thanks to everyone for the comments and PMs. Much appreciated.
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What area are you? I can post a shot here for you if I have the map.
Northwest corner of Washington State. Tatoosh Island is right off shore and Duntze Rk is about a mile north of Tatoosh Island. N48 24.711 W124 44.647
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I'll get u some pictures
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bluewaterpirate,

Curious... If you zoom in all the way on those contour lines right off the Washington coast line (southern most landmass on the chart), how far apart in depth are the tight contour lines? 1 foot?

There are two small spits of land running out to the northeast on the bottom. The leftmost spit is called Ediz Hook. I would be vary curious to see the level of detail when zoomed in just outside and to the north of that hook. My current G2 Vision charts don't appear to offer this much detail.

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I'll get u some pictures
Sorry Tom. I didn't see this before I posted another request

Thanks for helping.
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Kurt ....

I'll get your shots tomorrow sorry I can't do it tonight
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Northwest corner of Washington State. Tatoosh Island is right off shore and Duntze Rk is about a mile north of Tatoosh Island. N48 24.711 W124 44.647
What card are you running now?
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What card are you running now?
2015.5 G2 Vision VUS037R.
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Yep. I agree fishbadger. Here is the latest G2 Vision detail for Duntze Rock off of Tatoosh Island using Homeport. Left side is nav chart and right side is fishing chart. Contours are usually about 7 foot. OK for this rock, but not very helpful for pinpointing smaller stuff inside Puget Sound.
Heres that spire in Navionics Sonar Charts. . .
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Thank you BWP for putting in the time to help.

What version is your G2 chart, and which version the G2 HD?

Thanks in advance,

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2015.5 G2 Vision VUS037R.
We just listed Vus037r 16.5 for sale in my card thread. That should have the additional features you want.
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wrong. that's one of the main features of the HD/HD vision cards
Sorry no.

Check out any lake you want and you will see exactly the same contours listed no mater which version of the maps you have.

When you buy a premium map you are NOT paying for or getting any additional detailed contour lines.

You do get a lot of other stuff, but zero extra contour lines.

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On the G2 charts - it was my understanding from talking to customer support, that the next up-date or the built in maps - thats due out any time now - would be the same contours as the HD version. Is that not true?

That would keep it it line with how the lakevu/lakevu Ultra, etc maps are - same contours just other addons.
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Sorry no.

Check out any lake you want and you will see exactly the same contours listed no mater which version of the maps you have.

When you buy a premium map you are NOT paying for or getting any additional detailed contour lines.

You do get a lot of other stuff, but zero extra contour lines.
It's not April fools day yet, so I am not sure of your angle here. I would post side by side screen shots of g2 vs g2HD showing the dramatic increase in contour lines and bottom detail, but BWP has already posted many of them and obviously you haven't even bothered to look. Just go back to his posts and take a look...if you don't understand what you're seeing, that's fine, just say so, and it will be explained to you. Cliff's notes version is that they show significantly more bottom detail by use of 1' contour lines that are not present in the g2 charts. In other words they directly contradict your statements. And I have no idea why you're linking to lakevu, nobody here is talking about lakevu.
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It's not April fools day yet, so I am not sure of your angle here. I would post side by side screen shots of g2 vs g2HD showing the dramatic increase in contour lines and bottom detail, but BWP has already posted many of them and obviously you haven't even bothered to look. Just go back to his posts and take a look...if you don't understand what you're seeing, that's fine, just say so, and it will be explained to you. Cliff's notes version is that they show significantly more bottom detail by use of 1' contour lines that are not present in the g2 charts. In other words they directly contradict your statements. And I have no idea why you're linking to lakevu, nobody here is talking about lakevu.
I did see that and I also posted what customer service had told me - that there would soon be no difference between the levels of detail - which was how it had been in the past until the HD release.

"Extra" contour lines have never been promised anywhere in the advertising for any of the premium cards - lakevu or G2.

At the moment there is an artificial difference between the builtin G2 maps and the new HD G2 maps, but that is because the internal map up-dates are so far behind - not because you are buying extra contour lines.

Once the new internal map up-dates are available again, there will be no difference in detail as far as contour lines. At that point, we will be back to normal.

Thats what I was told by customer service as of about three weeks ago when I last pestered them about the internal map updates.

Do you have different information from Garmin to dispute that?
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I did see that and I also posted what customer service had told me - that there would soon be no difference between the levels of detail - which was how it had been in the past until the HD release.

"Extra" contour lines have never been promised anywhere in the advertising for any of the premium cards - lakevu or G2.

At the moment there is an artificial difference between the builtin G2 maps and the new HD G2 maps, but that is because the internal map up-dates are so far behind - not because you are buying extra contour lines.

Once the new internal map up-dates are available again, there will be no difference in detail as far as contour lines. At that point, we will be back to normal.

Thats what I was told by customer service as of about three weeks ago when I last pestered them about the internal map updates.

Do you have different information from Garmin to dispute that?
I have no idea what garmin is going to release in the future. that would be interesting info but completely different than what we are debating--whether or not adding an HD card increases bottom detail currently.

yes, garmin does claim that the HD/HD vision cards increase contour detail. it is right on their website. it is in the advertising/announcements for the cards. it has always been one of, if not the, main selling point of the cards. it has nothing to do with updates. I have been a garmin mapping customer since the very first release of bluecharts over 15 years ago. you have always had to pay more for the increased bathy detail. bathy charts from 10 years ago had a lot more detail than the base g2 charts do today. forget the updates. I would be surprised if they are about to change and provide full bottom detail with the base g2 charts, but again, I do not know. if you do have that information, then stick w/that story and stop spreading misinformation about the current charts.

but I do know that, in the past as well as currently, buying the HD cards dramatically increases the bottom detail & contour lines.
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Definitely more contours on the HD card. Just look at what Bluewater posted. It goes from contours every 5-10 ft to 1-3 ft. Significant details added at ledges and features as well. I checked it against Navionics+ and although a different format, accurate.
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