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Old 01-10-2017, 04:12 PM   #1
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We are building a 36 this spring and run out often in the dark. Biggest things to worry about would be floating debris, containers, partially submerged threats. Would FLIR be helpful if we are cruising 30-40? What about running lights if there aren't any boats anywhere around verified with radar.
Which FLIR or lights would you recommend?
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Subscribed to see the responses on how you all run at night. I've never used FLIR so I'm no help. I refuse to run hard at night.
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Old 01-10-2017, 08:57 PM   #3
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I would talk to brian at Sarasota Linex. He runs flir and light bar. I run radar and light bar. Light bar is only as good as you have it mounted.
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Buddy of mine just put it on his Topaz and said its jam up. I'm 50/50 on Flir or just getting a light bar but he said its worth every penny.
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Flir and moisture don't mix. I don't know how much fog and rain you deal with, but in the NW it really limits when you can use it.
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We are building a 36 this spring and run out often in the dark. Biggest things to worry about would be floating debris, containers, partially submerged threats. Would FLIR be helpful if we are cruising 30-40? What about running lights if there aren't any boats anywhere around verified with radar.
Which FLIR or lights would you recommend?
If you "often" run in the dark your first line of defense should be radar... Your second line of defense could be FLIR... Keep in mind that there's FLIR and there's FLIR... IOW, not all FLIR is created equally...

If your get a $200-$400 smartphone based system you'll get one result... If your get a $8,000-$10,000 stabilized system you'll get a completely different result...

As for running lights, you're legally required to use them in the proscribed circumstances... IOW, even if you KNOW you're the only vessel in miles they have to be turned on!...
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IIf your get a $200-$400 smartphone based system you'll get one result... If your get a $8,000-$10,000 stabilized system you'll get a completely different result......
And if you get the 100,000 system you will get yet another result.
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If you want to run 40 at night in the Ocean FLIR would be a great addition to increase your comfort level. I think the light bars are great when coming into a tight area at the end of your trip, but not great for open water. Having your eyes adjusted to darkness is the best thing for open water at night.
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And if you get the 100,000 system you will get yet another result.
I'm unaware of $100,000 systems in the civilian market... That leaves military systems... Having used a military system many years ago I can tell you that counting small boulders in a river bed from a few miles away in otherwise total darkness IS possible with that technology...
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I'm unaware of $100,000 systems in the civilian market... That leaves military systems... Having used a military system many years ago I can tell you that counting small boulders in a river bed from a few miles away in otherwise total darkness IS possible with that technology...
Well if you don't know about it, it must not exist?

Heck, you can buy $85,000 units (used to be $100,000) from West Marine!

Here's a $225,000 unit in the civilian market just to drive my point home...

http://www.atlanticrt.com/safety/nig...tallation.html
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From everyone I have spoken with who has used the 5,000-10,000 FLIR units, they are absolutely not valuable doing 30mph in the ocean. We have considered them for a few years, but everyone with first hand experience has advised they are most useful for navigation through jettys, channels etc at idle speed. And Fog is apparently a major issue as well. I have never actually had the opportunity to view first hand, but I've based this on probably 10-12 people who have.
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How many of you googans shut that light bar off whenever there is another vessel within a few miles of you?
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How many of you googans shut that light bar off whenever there is another vessel within a few miles of you?
From my personal experience, VERY few!...
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Well if you don't know about it, it must not exist?
There's no need to be offensive... I'm perfectly happy to be educated... Thank you very much...
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We run offshore often in 36 yellowfin with fixed mount ..tough staring at that screen for more than 5 minutes when there is a little chop --will make you sick real quick-- we shut it off, slow down and put the radar on dual zone--- my buddy spent 10k on it and thinks it is a waste for the way we use the boat...
its decent in the bay but nothing a good radar can't do for you..
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My experience with using lights is to get them high off the boat or out in front of the boat. The glare from light reflecting back off the boat at you is too much to see anything. Otherwise, they are more problem than good. The perfect set up would be to be able to temp. mount a light as far forward on the bow as you can so it can be removed when not in use and it's not ugly and sticking out like a sore peter.
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I have been running with FLIR on my 38 Jupiter for 10 years. I have replaced the unit once in that time and currently run a FLIR M Series. 30 knots is about the fastest I am willing to run in the dark. In my experience at 40 knots you will not likely have enough time to react by the time a partially submerged object appears on the FLIR screen. Also, that speed will pretty much require a crew member dedicated full time to watching the FLIR screen and that gets boring pretty quick on a long run.

With all that said, we use the FLIR along with radar every time we run offshore at night. Once we detected a partially submerged intact bloated whale carcass right in our path and managed to avoid it. I can pick up high flyers on the radar but the whale did not show up. What a mess if we had hit it. We have also detected and avoided several floating logs.

The FLIR could be a great help in a man overboard situation at night. Thankfully we have never had to use it for that.
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We fish the NE Canyons in a 37 Seavee with the FLIR MD625 (fixed). Often we are going out or returning in the dark. Combined with radar, the FLIR is very nice to have maneuvering a crowded harbor at night. In calm seas, we find it can be useful running at speed offshore. Offshore our biggest concerns are hitting high fliers, lobster pots and partially submerged objects. My boat has dual Garmin 4616's displays. While running offshore, FLIR is displayed full screen on one display and dual range radar on the other. Our first line of defense is the radar, however it must be properly tuned to pick up high fliers.. FLIR is secondary and our version of FLIR adds the most value in good seas. It doesn't work in fog or heavy rain. You must pay attention and adjust your speed to be safe. At 40mph, you don't have much time to react. Sometimes we run at 25mph, sometimes at 40mph. Again the calmer the seas, the better for useful FLIR data. With FLIR, we have avoided a few logs not picked up by radar. The MD 625 cost me about $4500. Would I buy it again - absolutely. Hopefully, they will offer lower cost more advanced products in the future. This winter we are looking for a light bar installation which won't light up the bow. Having radar, FLIR and a good light bar may be the best solution.
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We have 5 of the FLIR SR models on pan/tilt devices on our trucks, for wildlife work. We can differentiate between coyotes, pigs and deer out to 300 yards. But, that's at very slow speeds. Much beyond 25mph, things pass very quickly. At 30-40 mph, I think you'd have enough time to ask, "what is..." THWACK.
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I too have the FLIR fixed mount. I find it most useful coming into port slowly at night as it will light up every marker, lobster pot or anything else directly in front of the boat. I have used it running 30 mph offshore at night and it is also helpful--especially in the Keys where it is possible to come across an unlit boat of refugees. I am not sure if it would be easy to see a smaller, partially submerged things at that speed--but it does provide greatly improved visibility in complete darkness and added comfort. I recommend it.
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