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Old 08-19-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Raymarine C-series tracks/routes

Along with my own questions, I've seen a few people on here ask about the C series track/route features when it comes to the chartplotter. For me, that is the #1 feature of the chartplotter/GPS - when I'm 100 miles from the dock, show me how I got there and where I went so I can get back home and chow on the 40 inch striper I just bagged.

Anyway, I find Raymarine's customer service to be about as enthusiastic as the kid at my local McDonalds drive-through. I did however talk to a local Raymarine tech support guy in NH who wrote me the most thorough email I've had yet regarding tracks/routes and how they work.

Most of you C-series owners probably know all this - but for me (new unit installing tomorrow) and others who aren't as familiar, I thought I'd post the email as it helped me out a great deal. Check this out, and sorry for the bandwidth:

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Port Harbour Marine forwarded your questions about the C-120's tracking and route making to us in Technical Support.*

To answer your first question, the track function actually works quite well, (it is actually somewhat ground-breaking) but, it does work differently than anything we (or anyone else) has had in the past, and for that reason, some people don't like it, let me elaborate.*

The way any C-Series lays a track is that based upon the boat's speed over ground (SOG), the unit is constantly dropping trackpoints (the faster you go, the more frequently it drops a point, as you slow down, so does its interval), and basically examines the previous 3 trackpoints, we'll call them, A, B, and C, for this.* If the unit compares all three and shows no significant heading changed required to get from A to B to C, it will then automatically drop point B from the track (as it is not necessary), and then looks at the next point in line, we'll call that one point D in an A-C-D comparison.* If there is no major change in progressing through the 3, trackpoint C is dropped, and the unit would then compare A-D-E, etc..* If, however, there was a change in going through A to C to D, all 3 would become permanent trackpoints on the track, and then the next "running" comparison would be between points*C, D, and E.

We went for this "smart" tracking (and are the first to do so)*because, traditionally, you had to set the track interval based upon either a time interval or a distance interval.* This always lead to some form of compromise and some judgment calls about how to best drop a track that was accurate enough to re-trace, but did not exhaust the track storage capacity (in recent years, its typically been 500 to 1,000 waypoints per track, the C-Series is 1,000).* It became difficult for someone who had both slow (i.e. no wake zone) portions of a common trip, then had more traditional cruising speed portions of the same trip, because they either*did not have enough trackpoints to make a decent sized trip (having probably burned half to two thirds when they didn't need to) or not a terribly accurate track because they extended the interval be it via time or distance to stretch the library, but the interval may have placed points on either side of something that had, in fact, been dodged.*

Some people though, we have found, still want the control this themselves, and without that control, irregardless as to how well it actually works, feels the unit is somehow deficient for not allowing the end user the ability to make a bad choice.* We will probably work a user selectable track interval*as an option (the unit will still default to the autotrack) in a future rev of software, but I would not expect it before this winter.*Unless you want really defined track over a small area, like a troll over a wreck for fishing, I don't see a user selectable interval outperforming the auto interval, but it will be an option again in the future.*

As far as the routes, converting a track to a route is always less accurate than marking the important points where a mark has to be laid to successfully be used as a waypoint and then creating the route waypoint to waypoint.* Think of the previously stated track making, and say the unit eventually dropped 500 trackpoints to make the track.* If you convert that into a route, because an individual route is limited to 50 waypoints, the plotter has to pick among those 500 trackpoints which 50 can be waypoints.* As you can imagine, that running A-B-C comparison and the required change to now justify burning a waypoint is going to be much larger now, and what is sacrificed is the resolution to the original track.* For longer, more intricate trips, it is going to be necessary for 2 or more routes to comprise the trip if more than 50 legs are needed, whether the route be from a converted track or entered via waypoints directly.*

There may, eventually, be an extension of the amount of waypoints available per route, but that is easier said than done, as there*could be*interfacing implications with things like autopilots (especially not our own), that make a change like this somewhat of a backward step if two pieces that previously talked fine with one another now don't for something that was a convenience and not a necessity.* We actually support 15 more waypoints per route than Northstar's closest comparable product line, their 6000i*(they only allow 35 waypoints per route), and our tracks are 300 trackpoints longer than Garmin's closest comparable units, their 3006/3010 series (they only allow 700 trackpoints per track), and neither the garmin nor the Northstar, at least in their specs, directly states that they can convert a current track into a route at all, but that may just be an omission from their web page write ups.
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If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:38 PM
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Good information. I wonder if this is the same with the E series units.

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Excellent description in plain english. I love my C series but have to agree, customer service calls are very hit or miss. If I miss, I call back a little later and ask for someone else.
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Old 08-22-2005, 12:33 PM
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Wonder what significant difference in heading is? It explains why it doesnt work for fishing a spot. I tried it and it must have decided I wasn't moving significantly off course because the line would straighten out and move. No way to make the same drift or use the drift track for an accurate anchor heading or to find that rock you went over. Other chart plotters I have used worked MUCH better for fishing. Now if they make the option to change it available then it will be good to go. I have noticed as well that some calls you get someone that is on the ball at Raymarine, then others you get someone that thinks your a bother. I really like how he/she implies that having the a detailed shorter track that actually traces your REAL path is the WRONG way to do it. I sure hope they make some of the updates they claim.
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Old 09-06-2005, 03:10 PM
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Put the plotter throught the paces this weekend. The tracks/trial is certainly horrible. I will be surprised if someone doesn't get hurt or killed using it, if it is not fixed. It will move your trail so that it shows up on the other side of channel markers or right on top of them. DO NOT TRUST the raymarine trails for running. It was just as useless while trying to fish. Will not make a curved line only straight lines that will move off your last path as the boat moves.
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Old 09-12-2005, 11:42 AM
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This is an old thread, but since I wasn't pleased with my Ray rc435 swedish agent could trade it in for what i gave for it and give me an Ray c-70 or c-80 instead. It will be a lot more expensive, but a good way to get rid of the rc435.
I asked them on the navship.se about the c-80 and especially the trackrouting, that people, especially fishermen using trolingboats have complained about this feature thst doesn't make sence.
They told me it was a bug in the software and it was now taken care of!!
So, have you people, using these machines heard this and had your C-models cured?
It's even more money to spend for me so i'd like to know!!
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Old 09-13-2005, 05:13 PM
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It is not fixed as far as I am aware. The salesman is most likely not telling you the truth. I was told by Raymarine this feature was not fixable at current and that they would consider it for some future update. I have heard the same reply on everything I have called about. I am not turning blue from holding my breath, however, I surely hope they do make some of the improvements they have been given as it would really complete the package and make it lets say, Worth the Price. Many of the features work well if they can overcome some of the shortcomings.



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Old 09-14-2005, 06:58 AM
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The people on navtech.se i spoke to wasn't salesmen. It was one one the guys that mends and serves the machines. He said that in the newest version on the software for C-models it should be fixed. For those money de gps costs it shoulden't be a problem, i think. We'll see!
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Ask him where you can get a copy of the new software if it exists.
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Ask him where you can get a copy of the new software if it exists.
Well You can download the latest software from their site but the latest one doesn't appear to address the tracking problem.

http://raymarine.custhelp.com/cgi-bi...p?p_faqid=1037
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The c series track feature is garbage, I found a ray nav 300 plotter,and installed it yesterday . You can set time ( for track plot ) 1,3,5,10,30, sec. etc. It puts a track dot on the screen at the time intervial you have chosen,also by pushing one button it puts a small icon on the screen for your waypoint, NOT a large boat or icon as the c series does. Don't know why raymarine did't put this software in the new units. I don't think they make the 300 plotter any more,but it sure works great !
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Doublehook: You replied to a 8 month old post. As an FYI, the newest software allows for a track plot with choices as you describe. It is no longer "garbage".

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