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Okay..let me see if I have this right. I have a 178C.
I have a 16MB blank data card and USB card reader.
I have a Blue Chart chip from Charleston to Jacksonville.
All I can use the 16MB data card for is to 1) download GPS operating code updates to the Unit, and 2) download Waypoints to the unit.
All I can use the preprogrammed card for is to read the detail for my area on my 178c Unit.
Now if I buy the Blue chart software, what does this allow me to do? Does it just give me details to make waypoints, etc on?
it allows you to bring the whole gps unit home to your pc cscreen , clean up your waypoints, rename them, set up routes, delete routes and burn it all back onto the 16 mb chip that will then merge with your data in the 178 when you go to the boat.
all that the blue chart cd is, is another media form of the exact chart on the preprogramed chip BUT the chip only contains one section the cd covers much greater area...
For the money stick with the chip and down the road add the Trip and Waypoint software and use that to transfer your points or routes ...
with the Blank you have and the data card reader...
you cannot download the CD to the Blank if that's what your asking you will need the PC/AC adapter for that ... that's why I say simply but the chip and use the blanks one you have with trip and waypoint software to move your points and routs...
I have the A/C adapter..can't d/l it from there either. The 178C doesn't have any internal memory for that--all you can send are the waypoints, routes etc.
I can look at the info from the cd, and d/l waypoints, routes etc to the 178C, but not map data like depths , markers etc like I see on the screen with the pre-programmed chip.
all that the blue chart cd is, is another media form of the exact chart on the preprogramed chip BUT the chip only contains one section the cd covers much greater area...
For the money stick with the chip and down the road add the Trip and Waypoint software and use that to transfer your points or routes ...
with the Blank you have and the data card reader...
John
John I disagree. The same region unlocked by the CD is much larger than the standard chip. For instance the MUS011R only goes out approx 70 mi offshore Sarasota, the CD vers 7 goes clear to Texas all the bahamas, Santo Domingo to Surf Side Beach SC. The 11R stops around Jacksonville FL. So HOW can having a SMALLER REGION be a better deal???? After you unlock the region of interest you highlight all the maps and hit the Download button at the top, YOUR DONE.. easy.. for the CD vers your obviously need the CD, Blank chip and the USB data card prgrammer item # 010-10363-00 . You can save you waypoint s the blank chip and read it with the USB card programmer. For the MONEY the CD offers much LARGER region and the maps on your PC to mess with.. I guess it depends on who's dollar it is huh..
all that the blue chart cd is, is another media form of the exact chart on the preprogramed chip BUT the chip only contains one section the cd covers much greater area...
For the money stick with the chip and down the road add the Trip and Waypoint software and use that to transfer your points or routes ...
with the Blank you have and the data card reader...
John
John I disagree. The same region unlocked by the CD is much larger than the standard chip. For instance the MUS011R only goes out approx 70 mi offshore Sarasota, the CD vers 7 goes clear to Texas all the bahamas, Santo Domingo to Surf Side Beach SC. The 11R stops around Jacksonville FL. So HOW can having a SMALLER REGION be a better deal???? After you unlock the region of interest you highlight all the maps and hit the Download button at the top, YOUR DONE.. easy.. for the CD vers your obviously need the CD, Blank chip and the USB data card prgrammer item # 010-10363-00 . You can save you waypoint s the blank chip and read it with the USB card programmer. For the MONEY the CD offers much LARGER region and the maps on your PC to mess with.. I guess it depends on who's dollar it is huh..
OK, I am a bit confused here. (No, I am not the person who asked the original question, but I have been lurking here trying to learn.) I have the 198C which has the large built in charts. I don't have anything else at this time. I would love to be able to do planning etc. on my home PC especially entering waypoints etc. before going off to vacation to some location pretty remote to my home base. What do I need to do this (both hardware and software? (I guess cost isn't all that important, though I would baulk at having to buy the charts all over again on principle if that is necessary ...)
Mike I'm glad you disagree but it's simple so maybe that's the hard part to understand.
Of the customers that I ask who are repeat Garmin buyers they opt for the chip simply because the CD (Although larger coverage area) is a pain to deal with they end up buying the CD, AC/PC adapter Blank chip and data reader/writer and all it does is sit there in a box, they do not weekly down load, they do not fiddle with waypoints all the time. Most of them forget how to go through the process when it's been months and months between the times they attempt.
As for this orginal posters questions ....
If you cannot get the 178C to download the cd you must have an issue with the unit it does have plenty of storage cap to accept and hold the area.....
TED, the Blue Chart Software is exactly what you have on your 198C. However the CD only unlocks 1 region where as the 198C has them all unlocked. If you want to view your area map's on your home computer you will need to buy the Blue charts CD's, to connect to your 198C to get your waypoints you'll need EITHER the blank chip and USB programmer or the AC/PC adapter. Either one of these will work fine and both can be used to update the software on your 198C. If you dont need to see your area maps just keep your waypoints on your home computer the get the Waypoint manager from Garmin like John said.
Heres the funny thing about all this, IF you bought the CD and unlocked the region you wanted you still have a CD that was never used. There are 2 steps in the CD process. 1 ST Unlocking a region and 2nd unlocking a Garmin unit... well since you dont need to download any maps to your 198C because they are allready there you now have 2 unit unlocks waiting in case you ever need them... 1 CD unlocks 2 units.. heres what you do, SELL THE UNLOCKS TO A FRIEND and use the Cd for home use only... this way you split the cost of the CD... are you following me here... if not, drop me an email with your # and I will call and explain it..
all that the blue chart cd is, is another media form of the exact chart on the preprogramed chip BUT the chip only contains one section the cd covers much greater area...
For the money stick with the chip and down the road add the Trip and Waypoint software and use that to transfer your points or routes ...
with the Blank you have and the data card reader...
John
John I disagree. The same region unlocked by the CD is much larger than the standard chip. For instance the MUS011R only goes out approx 70 mi offshore Sarasota, the CD vers 7 goes clear to Texas all the bahamas, Santo Domingo to Surf Side Beach SC. The 11R stops around Jacksonville FL. So HOW can having a SMALLER REGION be a better deal???? After you unlock the region of interest you highlight all the maps and hit the Download button at the top, YOUR DONE.. easy.. for the CD vers your obviously need the CD, Blank chip and the USB data card prgrammer item # 010-10363-00 . You can save you waypoint s the blank chip and read it with the USB card programmer. For the MONEY the CD offers much LARGER region and the maps on your PC to mess with.. I guess it depends on who's dollar it is huh..
OK, I am a bit confused here. (No, I am not the person who asked the original question, but I have been lurking here trying to learn.) I have the 198C which has the large built in charts. I don't have anything else at this time. I would love to be able to do planning etc. on my home PC especially entering waypoints etc. before going off to vacation to some location pretty remote to my home base. What do I need to do this (both hardware and software? (I guess cost isn't all that important, though I would baulk at having to buy the charts all over again on principle if that is necessary ...)
Many thanks!
TED
All you need is Garmins Trip and Waypoint software and a Blank chip and a data card reader/writer. that software allows you to creat routes, and waypoints, and the blank chip allows you to move them between your PC and unit.....
They bundle it now and call it the " Marine Data Management Kit" (USB programmer, 16MB card, Marine Trip/WPT manager w/updater software) 010-10605-00
How do you create routes without MAPS??? I've never used the Waypoint manager kit but I cant see it having any cartography set up. If you know how to create a route thru a narrow channel way with only the waypoints and no maps, please enlighten me..
Simplify pre-trip planning for your next outdoor adventure or business trip by using MapSource Trip & Waypoint Manager to transfer waypoints, routes and tracks between your Garmin GPS and PC. Simply plan your next trip on a PC, download GPS data to your Garmin unit, and go. Don't forget to use Trip & Waypoint Manager to archive GPS data for future use. Back up waypoints, routes and tracks that you've saved on your Garmin GPS to your PC using the Trip & Waypoint Manager software.
Trip & Waypoint Manager comes with a general worldwide database that provides basic cartography, including interstates, motorways, oceans, and various other general reference detail to help you plan your next trip. Map detail also includes political boundaries, principal cities and towns.
This trip planning CD is designed for use with Garmin units that have no built-in map detail or city point database. See the product compatibility table (above right) for a list of products that Garmin recommends with this software.
Tightline Rod's - 8/17/2005 6:49 AM
Trip & Waypoint Manager comes with a general worldwide database that provides basic cartography, including interstates, motorways, oceans, and various other general reference detail to help you plan your next trip. Map detail also includes political boundaries, principal cities and towns.
This trip planning CD is designed for use with Garmin units that have no built-in map detail or city point database. See the product compatibility table (above right) for a list of products that Garmin recommends with this software.
John
John, I can see that you just cut and pasted this from Garmin or somewhere else so I called the Garmin Dealer Line to get the correct answer.. The WAYPOINT MANAGER has a base map of the US and should NOT BE USED to make routes. ITs only purpose is to store waypoints and manage waypoints.. If you want to make routes get the Blue chart CD... I personally use the Blue Chart CD's for making routes and keeping waypoints and it works great..
I have the A/C adapter..can't d/l it from there either. The 178C doesn't have any internal memory for that--all you can send are the waypoints, routes etc.
Can anyone confirm this? Maybe my cd isn't unlocked or broken?
TED, the Blue Chart Software is exactly what you have on your 198C. However the CD only unlocks 1 region where as the 198C has them all unlocked. If you want to view your area map's on your home computer you will need to buy the Blue charts CD's, to connect to your 198C to get your waypoints you'll need EITHER the blank chip and USB programmer or the AC/PC adapter. Either one of these will work fine and both can be used to update the software on your 198C. If you dont need to see your area maps just keep your waypoints on your home computer the get the Waypoint manager from Garmin like John said.
Heres the funny thing about all this, IF you bought the CD and unlocked the region you wanted you still have a CD that was never used. There are 2 steps in the CD process. 1 ST Unlocking a region and 2nd unlocking a Garmin unit... well since you dont need to download any maps to your 198C because they are allready there you now have 2 unit unlocks waiting in case you ever need them... 1 CD unlocks 2 units.. heres what you do, SELL THE UNLOCKS TO A FRIEND and use the Cd for home use only... this way you split the cost of the CD... are you following me here... if not, drop me an email with your # and I will call and explain it..
Oddly enough, I think I am following you! It's not intuitively obvious from afar, but I can see what is happening here. I think I will start with the simpler solution and see how that works. I guess it irks me to have to buy the CD when I don't really need it -- and it ain't cheap!
Garmin Mapsource/Blue Chart Questions 
I've never used the Waypoint manager kit but I cant see it having any cartography set up. If you know how to create a route thru a narrow channel way with only the waypoints and no maps, please enlighten me.. 
