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NothinButFish 12-14-2013 02:44 PM

Humminbird ONIX
 
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Out testing ONIX on Lake Lanier last week and thought I'd share some screen snapshots. The ducer was the new "All in One" and at 200kHz.

abbor 12-14-2013 03:30 PM

What's the length of the new "all in one" transducer?

Rascal1 12-14-2013 03:31 PM

How much does it cost?

NothinButFish 12-15-2013 05:59 AM

Looks can be deceiving.... The "box" on the ION is a little like the Geonav but it is way beyond that..... both the ONIX and ION have a UI that is focused on fishing features. The "All in One" ducer that comes with the ONIX is about the same size as the HDSI ducer that has been shipping with Side Imaging units..

NothinButFish 12-15-2013 04:46 PM

New Birds
 
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Originally Posted by Chimesoffreedom (Post 6246235)
You think??

Nice to see hummingbird at last join the 21st century. ......

Good luck...

Humminbird was 1st to bring affordable SI to the market for fishing:thumbsup:

The ONIX and ION will raise the bar again;) Seeing will be believing.

Thanks for the wish of luck:)

vertigo 12-15-2013 06:22 PM

As I am trying to wrap my brain around the whole side imagine speil, can you explain to me why does the image that is shown as being on the starboard side have a mirrored image on the port side and vice versa?

What do these new units offer above what is already avail through Lowrance as far as down and side scan imaging go?

stiletto 12-16-2013 08:25 AM

Garmin doesn't offer it quite yet, still vapor ware. The reason Humminbird hasn't had much mention is their sonar currently doesn't work well in salt water beyond a couple hundred feet. And the image seen isn't a mirror image, it's what's on the left of the boat versus the right of the boat. The central part should line up because they are the same point under the boat.

kurttruk 12-16-2013 03:17 PM

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SI and DI is good stuff but chirp is all the rage these days. My little 788 is great but it stops reading at 450'. I need 2500 plus these days. There is no real advice from hummingbird about reaching these depths with any of your units. While I do want to stay with the birds I am not going to be the one to thru money at something with no proof that it will work. I am waiting on the new chirp module from the bird but will probably end up with another manufacture based on my needs and known capability.

vertigo 12-16-2013 04:33 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong, but my thinking tell's me that it isn't a true side scan, but more rather like an angled down scan correct?
What has me thinking this is in one of the screen shots above it is almost a perfect mirrored image.
I am posting a pic with detail that leads me to believe this.
I may be wrong, but I am trying to wrap my brain around the reasoning behind my seeing the same object's ( branch and valley ) on both the Port and Starboard side.

stiletto 12-16-2013 04:47 PM

Because the branch is directly beneath the boat.

FISHUNTR 12-16-2013 05:16 PM

Define "true sidescan"?? The sonar sound waves are emitted in a cone pattern and the crystal is positioned on an angle within the TD so no its not looking straight out to the side. If it did it wouldnt read bottom. It is not a mirror image... anytime there is a significant depth change the dark center portion will enlarge or decrease depending on the change in depth (deeper and it will get larger, shallower smaller) and if the depth change is equal on both side of the boat then what you see on the screen will be the same on each side of the SI. Why say that is a branch... could be anything, but yes a similair mark is seen on both side and there is no way it is the same "branch" as can be plainly seen on the depth scale that there is bout 180' seperating the 2

fshmn 12-17-2013 05:04 AM

On Humminbirds you have the option to eliminate that center depth column. If you do that, then the SI display covers the entire display area. it's easier to see what's out to the sides when you don't have to give up so much of your screen in deeper water just to see what is below the boat.

I wish Lowrance would make the same software adjustment.

I believe you will find the "beam" used for SI is a "slice" not a "cone". On Humminbirds, there are three "slice" beams used to display SI. Left, right, and center (Down Imaging). The display is a combination of the three. The deeper you are, the wider an area the center (DI) will display your screen. Not because the beam is wider, but because the display is showing the water below your transducer. The deeper it is, the wider the display must be to show the entire depth.

The ghost image that shows up on both sides of the water column is not really a ghost, it is indicative of an object that is directly below the boat.

The best way to understand it for me was watching a YouTube video where the instructor took a sheet of paper, drew a line from top to bottom in the center, then two lines equal distance and parallel to that center line.
He then folded the paper in half on the center line, and then folded both sides up at the two side lines.

This leaves you with a "T" shape piece of paper. The vertical area of the "T" then represents the dark center column that is displayed on your screen.

If you can visualize that, then the "ghost" images are easier to understand as to why they show up on both sides of the center column.

I hope this helps. I had a 997SI for 5 years and it takes a lot of use to get intuitive about what you are seeing on the screen. Once HB came up with the software to optionally take the center column out of the display, I chose that option and never turned it off.

I switched to Lowrance about 3 years ago for several reasons, and still think I made the right choice for my needs. I have asked several Lowrance contacts to suggest a software upgrade that would eliminate the center column, as that is the feature I miss the most from the HB.

stiletto 12-17-2013 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fshmn (Post 6250811)
I believe you will find the "beam" used for SI is a "slice" not a "cone". On Humminbirds, there are three "slice" beams used to display SI. Left, right, and center (Down Imaging). The display is a combination of the three. The deeper you are, the wider an area the center (DI) will display your screen. Not because the beam is wider, but because the display is showing the water below your transducer. The deeper it is, the wider the display must be to show the entire depth.

Humminbird has traditionally had 2 elements for its side imaging, no down facing element. It creates it's down imaging by matching up the two side images. Lowrance has 3 elements and that is why Lowrance has better down imaging from its structure scan than Humminbird gets from its side imaging units. I believe in another post the OP said the new series from Humminbird is adding that third down facing element.

fshmn 12-17-2013 08:51 AM

thank you stiletto for enlightening me. I don't want to pass out misinformation.
Its been a few years since I worked with HB, and now that you mention it, I believe you are correct.

Now if you would be so kind as to talk Lowrance into allowing the center column to not be displayed, I would be even more grateful.

stiletto 12-17-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fshmn (Post 6251560)
thank you stiletto for enlightening me. I don't want to pass out misinformation.
Its been a few years since I worked with HB, and now that you mention it, I believe you are correct.

Now if you would be so kind as to talk Lowrance into allowing the center column to not be displayed, I would be even more grateful.

Heh, I wish I knew someone that could influence product decisions. I agree, that would be an interesting addition.

pastaman1234 12-21-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimesoffreedom (Post 6251975)
Yes it would. But I have found down scan much more useful in my area that side scan.

Check out Bass Boat Central, the humminbird forum for anyone looking for insight on the current status of humminbird and it's customer relations. It can get very amusing!!

Hey Chimes............Just wondering!! Why is it that you mostly show up on Humminbird threads and to, in most cases, bash the product?

vertigo 12-21-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pastaman1234 (Post 6262376)
Hey Chimes............Just wondering!! Why is it that you mostly show up on Humminbird threads and to, in most cases, bash the product?

I was thinking that myself.
As someone who is looking to install a new FF/chart plotter or 2 on my new boat, it would be nice to see a Humminbird rep stand up for the product and offer insight.

pastaman1234 12-21-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vertigo (Post 6262509)
I was thinking that myself.
As someone who is looking to install a new FF/chart plotter or 2 on my new boat, it would be nice to see a Humminbird rep stand up for the product and offer insight.

In the past its been good product from a good company with very little bugs. Hopefully the new products pan out the same way. Many of the top professional shallow water anglers use HB products.

vertigo 12-21-2013 03:43 PM

My Humminbird curiosity stem's from not seeing manyanglers or guides using them in saltwater, atleast I haven't seen many where I mainly fish.
Hence my reluctance to install their product on my boat.

pastaman1234 12-21-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vertigo (Post 6262886)
My Humminbird curiosity stem's from not seeing manyanglers or guides using them in saltwater, atleast I haven't seen many where I mainly fish.
Hence my reluctance to install their product on my boat.

In the past they were definately geared towards shallow water so that made them very popular in freshwater. The ducer doesnt know the difference between salt or fresh so you should be fine up to 150' with DI and 400' with 2D. It seems the newer one are going to be geared more towards the deep and salt. I have a.2006 SI that has beem used many times in saltwater and has been great.


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