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Old 06-04-2005, 10:35 PM
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Does anyone have recommendations for rigging a home based vhf antenna? I'm wanting to rig an antenna on the roof of home since I'm only about 3-5 miles from where my son will be fiishing down the river. We do have a lot of trees that might affect the signal. I'm wanting to connect the antenna to another boat in the driveway to use as a base unit.

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No recommendation , such as a Shakespeare Galaxy , becsause FWIW if you plan to transmit from home(or driveway,etc.), what you are proposing is highly illegal.
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Trout, while TTaxi is correct in that its illegal, lots of people do it here in the American Territiry of Guam. I think the FCC turns a blind eye to it here...I'm not speaking out for or against this practice but the Galaxy 8' 6db antennas work just as good on top of your house as they do on the boat. People here put them on top of a push-up poll - just like a home CB antenna installation and use power inverters to use household ac to power the DC radio. Do this at your own risk....Uncle Sugar is watching!
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If your son's boat is on the water (not beached on the river shore), then it is ship to shore communications and is not illegal. Ship to shore talk is allowed on certain VHF channels. Channels 68, 69 and 71 may be used for ship to shore communications. Tell your son not to answer or call you until after he casts off from shore.

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Old 06-05-2005, 07:48 AM
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I installed a Wave Master-Er VHF marine band base station ground plane antenna on top of 20 foot mast and has great reception, got it on Ebay if intersted do a Ebay search for VHF marine band antennas.
If your intentions are to transmit with it there is a licence available through the FCC, but with tough qualifications.
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I think you will find that a 'home based' VHF radio is illegal. Period (without a special licence, as referenced above).* You will also find 'handhelds, are illegal from shore, too.* If you must, then the higher the better. Trees should not intefere.
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It is illegal - regardless of whether your son's boat is on land or or the water - and unless you operate a specific sort of bona fide marine business (must provide thorough documentation) the FCC will NOT grant a license for a marine shore station.

DON'T DO IT.
Use cellphones or FRS/GMRS radios instead.
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Why is this illegal? Is it to not clog up the airways dedicated to marine use?
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Sorry, I stand corrected and apologize for the bad advice. You do indeed need a Utility Station License to operate a shore marine VHF raido.

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Why is this illegal? Is it to not clog up the airways dedicated to marine use?
It's illegal because it violates FCC regulations.

If you need to use a VHF marine radio from shore you need a special FCC license to do so. It doesn't matter why you want to do this.

CB will work fine for this application.
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IF the FCC monitors where i fish out of there wont be enough time to write everyone a ticket for talking from a base station. Every camp where i fish out of has a vhf antenna on top of it. I simply put a 8' on top of a long piece of threaded pipe. Works great. I can talk to the base station from 20-30 miles out dependant on wheather of course.
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Thanks for all the replies guys. It slipped my mind completely about the license requirements. I was licensed years ago .... the mind is slithering away.

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I have one on my roof at the highest point and it works great, we use it for weather and when my wife wants to check on me on my solo runs, we do not talk alot and alot of common sence and you should be fine
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IF the FCC monitors where i fish out of there wont be enough time to write everyone a ticket for talking from a base station. .
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I have one on my roof at the highest point and it works great, we use it for weather and when my wife wants to check on me on my solo runs, we do not talk alot and alot of common sence and you should be fine
Some people obey the law because it is the law, not because of fear of being caught.
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Ya know, I have heard this same argument for years. It is really ridiculous if you give it some consideration.

I have one question for you....

Does each person that operates a VHF radio have any type of registration with the government??

I think, NO!

So some person could have a base anywhere, and you would not know about it unless it was abused. (Triangulation equipment will find you QUICK)

Yes there is allot of traffic of the open channels, but this gentleman just wants to check on his child.

Is there some kind of problem that you have with that? The FCC has become a unit of the government that is simply unguided. They always have been.

As a marine electronics installer, I do a radio check from EVERY vessel I install a VHF radio on. I may use the vessel reg numbers to identify myself, I may use my personal vessel name.... It is really about SAFETY isn't it?

To me, my opinion only, this is being carried WAY out of proportion. This gent is trying to keep track of his son. Ok, so this is not assembling a 200ft tower to contact or interfere with vessels 100mi. away. It is his child for crying out loud.

If you know ANYTHING about VHF comms, you know that it is very limited in range based on altitude.

Be realistic about this guys, there is nothing wrong with this gent installing a radio at home to comm with his son.

Hell, he could use a handheld to get to him from that range!!

I fully support the regulations involved here, and I am very aware of how they work and why they are in place. However, this is not a question of a guy interfering with commercial traffic and causing a wreck. He just wants to check on his kid for reassurance.

To me, this is where you use good judgement...this is your child and you are teaching him/her how to be responsible.

Give it a rest.
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Does each person that operates a VHF radio have any type of registration with the government??

I think, NO!
Of course not....FCC rules don't require the recreational boater (voluntary ships) to have a license.

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To me, this is where you use good judgement...this is your child and you are teaching him/her how to be responsible.
Exactly. Start the responsibilty lessons by showing him you obey the laws. If you don't like the laws then work to get them changed.
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Ya know, I have heard this same argument for years. It is really ridiculous if you give it some consideration. .......
It's not just the VHF radio. As a society, we create laws to create order so we can live in large groups with a minimum of conflict and a quality of life. If each member of society only obeys the laws that he or she argees with, that society will soon fail. Lets see:

I can use the VHF in violation of the regulations because it doesn't hurt anyone and I won't get caught.

OK then, there's no need to stop at red traffic lights if there is no oncomming trafic and no police around to see me.

I might as well dump my holding tank just off the beach or in the harbor. After all, fish poop in the water and nobody will see me because the discharge is below the waterline.

Instead of taking my used motor oil to a recycling center I'll just wait until dark and dump it down the storm sewer. It will be diluted by the time it gets to the river and nobody will see me in the dark.

Think of a few yourself. Then really think about it and what you are teaching your children.

As the other response states, if you don't like the laws, work to get them changed. That's the beauty of this country, you can do that.
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Ron,

You make some very valid points, but one needs to look at the result of such an action. There is nothing more important (esp. in today's society) to raising respectful and honest children. I do however believe that you can not even begin to compare the resultant action of any of your examples to that of using a VHF from land.

In each in every example you site, through a miscalculation please lives are in danger - period. People can die! In comparison, using a VHF from land to keep a watch on your child is exactly the preventive action steps that we take when we stop at the red-lite and we don't dump our storage tanks and we don't put used motor oil in the storm drains. Is this a good reason to teach our children to not respect the law - NO! Do I wan't my children to be able to think for themselves - YES! I'll bet many people telling you not to put the antenna up (maybe not on this site - but I do know others) drive over the speed limit, don't come to a complete stop when turning right (unless there is a cop), lie on their taxes, download music from the internet, steal software, etc.

My opinion (and mine only)- put that land based antenna up. Just don't abuse it! I happen to have a home at the beach on the water and have an antenna. So, I can legally step off my dock and use my VHF on my boat (moored) , but not from 20 feet away from by boat in my house. Come on! I can guarantee you one thing for sure - I will get to my child before the Coast Guard will. I will gladly stand up to any court of law and the FCC when my family is at risk. You get one and only one chance to raise and care for your children. Learn to make the right choices.
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This response may be a bit off base, but doesn't the law only restrict land based transmissions? If the antenna is mounted on the water, would that still be land based?

I know that workaround isn't really in the spirit of the law preventing land based tranmission, but it is in the spirit of why we carry VHF's in the first place.

Another answer is the handheld, too. You could certainly listen from land, then walk to your boat to transmit if you want to stay within the letter of the law.

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I have no clue what the law reads as far as installations and whatnot, but if it is legal to have an installation, but just not transmit, why not get a scanner, or hook up an basestation and not transmit on it.

I really don't understand what the big deal would be, and wouldn't think that the FCC would say a thing unless you get downright abusive with your transmissions.* They don't seem to say a thing to high power CB basestations at nearly every truck stop across the nation blasting out adds (which are illegal on CB) on super high power installations, many of which right in the middle of major cities where they could possibly interfear with emergency & telecomunications traffic.

also, if you went with the basestation for listening purposes only, and happened to respond to your kid if he called needing help, I dont' think anyone would consider taking you to court over that, I mean really, who is going to get pissed at you helping your kid.
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