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I saw that on second look. A big step up in price, similar to RM's black box gear.
Curious pricing on the new mfd's though. The 8212 is the same price as the 7212. Doubt the 7212 will be around for very long with no price uplift to the new gear.
__________________ Terry Jason 35, Yanmar 370 hp, Lots of fun at a leisurely pace
It seems Garmin has some new products for sale on their website, but no official announcement.
Only touchscreen. 8, 12, 15" models. Nothing really special other than a hw refresh?
Agreed. They did fill in one gap -- not having a 7208. But with an MSRP of $4200 for an 8 inch screen that has better resolution than the 5208 but no integrated GPS antenna/receiver or sonar, I think they are pricing themselves out of the market as compared to Simrad or Raymarine.
Stay tuned Ben of Panbo is at the Miami Boat Show and is riding on the Garmin boat this afternnoon where they are show casing their new stuff. Lots of instersting stuff from ALL the vendors.
I have been wanting to get a 7000 series and was waiting for something new to come out. I hope they have some deals on the 7212 at the show. If they do i will be getting a new GPS this weekend.
It seems Garmin has some new products for sale on their website, but no official announcement.
Only touchscreen. 8, 12, 15" models. Nothing really special other than a hw refresh?
Agreed. They did fill in one gap -- not having a 7208. But with an MSRP of $4200 for an 8 inch screen that has better resolution than the 5208 but no integrated GPS antenna/receiver or sonar, I think they are pricing themselves out of the market as compared to Simrad or Raymarine.
I like it. I really like it. And it will just fit on my helm (Yea!).
But FOUR GRAND for an 8-inch MFD?!?
Are they out of their blanketey-blank-blank-blanking minds?!?
I like it. I really like it. And it will just fit on my helm (Yea!).
But FOUR GRAND for an 8-inch MFD?!?
Are they out of their blanketey-blank-blank-blanking minds?!?
Look at the cost to add a pair of 19" monitors... over $28k with the black box.
They seem to be chasing the glassed in "trophy helm" market here. Someone who wants an mfd for their master bathroom won't be concerned with the cost. And yes, I know it isn't a bathroom...
__________________ Terry Jason 35, Yanmar 370 hp, Lots of fun at a leisurely pace
I like it. I really like it. And it will just fit on my helm (Yea!).
But FOUR GRAND for an 8-inch MFD?!?
Are they out of their blanketey-blank-blank-blanking minds?!?
For $4200 they must be targeting the Furuno TZtouch 9 inch with that pricing.
If you are building a basic system from scratch to match capability of a Ray E97 or Simrad NSS 8, its $4700 MSRP because you've got to buy the GSD 24 sounder black box. Makes the Simrad NSS 8 look like a super bargain. For just the price of the 8208, you can get the Simrad NSS plus the 3G radar and still have money left over.
I wonder if they will discontinue the 4 and 5k series?
Doubtful - they still sell, by a substantial margin, more 4000/5000 series than 6000/7000 series units - unless they drop the pricing on the 6000/7000 series to where the 4000/5000 series is, they wouldn't be able to compete with the low priced Simrad and Raymarine products - not a market to abandon. On the 12" size a 4212 retails for $2,100 while the 6212 is $3,700 that is 75% more.
I wonder if they will discontinue the 4 and 5k series?
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Originally Posted by LI32
Doubtful - they still sell, by a substantial margin, more 4000/5000 series than 6000/7000 series units - unless they drop the pricing on the 6000/7000 series to where the 4000/5000 series is, they wouldn't be able to compete with the low priced Simrad and Raymarine products - not a market to abandon. On the 12" size a 4212 retails for $2,100 while the 6212 is $3,700 that is 75% more.
On the contrary, I think it's inevitable. The product can't live forever.
Further, if the rumored ca. $1,000 price drop on the 6000/7000 comes to pass (haven't seen anything official on that yet), that would be the final nail in the coffin. There would simply be no room left in the price-point spectrum for the 4000/5000 series, between the 6208 @ ~$2,000-2,200 MSRP, and the 741/741xs @ $1,600-1,700 MSRP.
Essentially the same thing happened ~3 years ago when the 6000/7000 series was introduced: The existing 4000/5000 series was "demoted" to the entry-level position in the fully-networkable MFD line.
They may well wait until existing stock is depleted to make the official announcement; but it has to happen.
It's kind'a funny, actually... At last week's Atlantic City Boat Show, the Garmin guys seemed downright depressed (in fact, almost hostile and sullen when I asked about the possibility of cobbling together a couple of 7208s as a one-off project). In hindsight, it's easy to see why: They obviously knew what was coming down the pike, but couldn't talk about it; and all they had to show was the tired old semi-obsolete stuff that isn't getting ANYBODY excited anymore.
OTOH, maybe after all this shakes out, there will still be some hope for a 7208 to become a real product. Once the 4000/5000 series does go away, there will be a significant hole in the line for moderate-size/moderate-cost touchscreen MFDs. The existing 6208 covers the non-touch side well enough; and at a much-reduced price, should sell at least as well as (probably better than) the 4208. But the 7xx series is too limited to fill this gap on their own (especially in terms of connectivity; but also the screens are still too small by comparison to an 8.4-inch 4:3 screen); and it would be a HUGE jump from there to an 8208, cost-wise. My guess is this would also be a fairly easy thing for them to do in terms of engineering/product-development, as at least most of the parts are already on the shelf.
I have the old 4212 on a 40' sailboat with Garmin HD radar and GMI-10's. Yes, I see the new 8212 as a nice refresh, but very expensive at 5k. This prices me out of upgrading with Garmin stuff.
In addition the GMI-10 is a tired instrument display now that B&G Triton is out. With the Triton simultaneous Apparent & True wind on the same screen at the same time it's value blows away the GMI-10.
I was hoping for a 12" chartplotter with a price that would be affordable for cheap sailors like me. And, not having a refresh for the GMI-10 almost makes me want to jump ship and look at Lowrance or Simrad for a complete changeover of electronics.
Yes, garmin seems to have opened up a huge hole in their line. The new 8000 series look and feel much more advanced than the 7000 series. I guess that's not surprising. What is surprising is that so does the 741! The 7000 series seems old next to the inexpensive little 741xs that has multi touch, built in wifi, built in chirp, and the new 'glass helm' look that is very slick. I can't imagine buying a 4000-7000 series without a huge (huge) price drop as garmin's new direction as shown in the 741 and 8000 series is a big step forward in my opinion. Not sure how often u will end up using multitouch underway, but it is just so much faster and more intuitive at the dock it becomes a must have on new electronics IMO.
Garmin 8000? 
