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Old 12-29-2003, 11:25 AM
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Looking for some advice. I am going to be picking up a used 24 CC early next year (Thanks Tuna Colada)and want to refit some of the electronics. I am hoping to get to the NYC show and pick up some deals. The known: I am going to go with a ICOM 502 with a Digital antenna. I was thinking of going with the Garmin 2006C or the 2010C with the sounder module and then getting a Raytheon or Furuno 7" B&W 2kw radar. The radar is purely for collision avoidance. Here is a picture of the boat:



I am going to keep the stereo, but move it to the top right corner, removing the digital depth finder. Under that will go the Icom. I want to have the Chart Plotter in front of the wheel and have the radar in the center between the Chart plotter and the radio.

Questions: how well does the split screen on the Garmin 2010 and 2006 work? My thinking is, I will seldom use the split screen. I do not do a lot of trolling. I will use the chart plotter to navigate to the fising spot and then switch to the ff.

Am I better off having a two in one CP/FF with a dedicated radar or a Radar/CP with a dedicated FF.

Help. Not much time left for the show.
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Here is my point on it .... the all in one combo is just what I need space wise ... the Chartplotter/radar overlay work's to get me there at high speed cruise .... then switch to ff screen and use the high power Raymarine DSM 250 to pin point the bottom structure I'm looking for .... they offer a second screen called a RayNav 300 it's small but gives you all your number info .... speed, heading , lat/log #'s .... that's my plan .... maybe down the road a second screen for FF only !!!....Hope it help's bring a new point of view into the picture !!...John


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I went Radar/Chartplotter and a dedicated fishfinder. That way you can get the overlay, as mentioned, and you can see your chartplotter and sonar on full size screens. The 3 items I use when finding a wreck are the sonar (to see the structure), the chartplotter (to see how close I am to the waypoint) and the compass (to make a good grid or circle around the waypoint). You won't be able to do this as easily if you've got a split screen for your sonar and cartplotter.
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Bg have you seen the RayNay 300 ?

this beside the RL70CRC unit .... what do you think ?....John


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I was contemplating a similar situation. I have 8 yr old Raytheon GPS, Radar and FF. I want to upgrade to a color plotter and FF and have narrowed the choice down to the Garmin 2010C with Black Box FF. I was going to keep the old Raytheon Radar as I use that the least and it still is working ok. If budget were not an option I would get the Navnet with radar overlay, BUT, I can get the 2010 with FF W/O ducer for about $2500 which would give me a new color plotter/gps, FF and still have a working radar. I was under the impression that in order to have radar overlay, I needed to spend about $5000 plus/minus with either a Raymarine or Navnet system. That is not in the budget right now. Any thoughts or recomendations on this concern?
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Sorry, also need to change FF out because it is in direct sunlight and the current one fades out. Want to stay with the 10" color screen also.
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FWIW, if your radar/chart plotter quits, you've lost lots of nav capability. Based on that and your other issues, I'd opt for the CP/FF and dedicated radar.

OTOH, if you have room for a 2006 or 2010, you probably have room for both a FF and separate CP along with radar. That would be my preference.
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I'm having to make the same decision. I've almost decided to go with radar/chartplotter and fishinder/chartplotter (two gps anennae). That way I have complete navigational redundancy on either system.

I like bg's thoughts. Run out using radar/chartplotter. As I approach the target area switch to full screen chart to get on my number and full screen FF to see the bottom.
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I'd rather have the radar/plotter combo and dedicated ff. This allows you to have full screen plotter and ff, with the option of split screen radar/plotter or radar/plotter overlay. One of the biggest problems with using radar is the difficulty in interpreting the often confusing picture. With the radar and plotter split screened, you can compare the two displays in the same scale and orientation, greatly simplifying the task of target recognition. Chart overlay is even better. I have a Ray RL74 CRC with chart overlay, and it works very well.

It will, however, be more expensive than plotter/ff combo and stand alone radar. On the other hand, if you can't figure out what the radar is telling you, it won't do you much good.
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John, I've been thinking about getting something like that for mine. I typically do the window with data boxes in the chartplotter mode right now but they take a lot of room.

dpdash, I'm sure others will correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, the only additional thing you need with Raymarine stuff for overlay is a fluxgate input of some sort. I recently say a Raytheon flux from one of their autopilot corepacks sell on eBay for @ $80. If you bought a new one it would be a LOT more than that but if you could find a deal like that you could be in business with an RL70CRC, Radome, Raystar and flux for probably less than $4k.

rogerstg, that's a very good point but I assumed (perhaps mistakenly) that he'd already be planning for redundancy on critical systems like GPS and VHF. I keep a handheld of both on board in case I lose one of the primarys or, God forbid, I ever have to bail out. I also have a good compass, just in case I ever have to rely on it.
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Here's my .02: Get the Radar/Chartplotter (for overlay capabilities) and seperate FF. Get a handheld GPS to backup the combo unit. That's what I will be doing with our new boat because we only have room for two 7" displays on the console. I've lived without radar up until now and if it goes out on me while on the water I can live without it until I get back and can get it repaired.
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Get the Radar/Chartplotter (for overlay capabilities) and seperate FF.

Done.

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buy the furuno 1833c or the northstar 6000i
you will like them better then the garmin units.
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My opinion is get standalone chartplotter and combo radar/ff. I went with garmin 2010c and furuno 1732cnt with sounder module. It is very common to look for a botoom spot stored in Gps and need simultaneous access to fish finder to find spot. It is also common to follow gps map and use radar when running in weather/darkness/fog. However, how frequently do you need radar and fishfinder simultaneously? Of course you can still split screen furuno to use all 3 components at once. Just my opinion. Plus you can only add a 500 watt transducer to the garmin unit whereas furuno takes 600 watt.

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Gents,

Thanks for all of your input. Tell you where I stand. All merchandise bought from Consumer Marine. I bought the ICOM 502A on 12/30 already mailed in the $40 rebate. Digital 529V 8' antenna. Furuno FCV600L FF with the Airmar 525ST-MSD Triducer. The only piece left is the ChartPlotter Radar.

I am leaning towards the Furuno Navnet 1722C with the 2kw dome. I am a little concerned about the redraw rate of the Chart Plotter. Anyone out there with input. If the plotter unit is no good, how is the plotter on the Raytheon. I am probably going to wait unitil the Miami show to see what new stuff is introduced and how it effects the prices.
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Salty,
You need an RL70CRC. That's the Raymarine Radar/Chartplotter combo. It uses C-map NT+ wide chart chip. VERY fast redraw rate. If you also install a heading sensor OR an AP with a stabilized heading output, you can use Rdar overlay. That is, lay the radar image over your chartplotter. Best thing since sliced bread. The RL70crc is a great unit.

If you wait for the Miami boat show, you should see a hole new line coming out from Raymarine also.

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quote:Originally posted by barthu:
My opinion is get standalone chartplotter and combo radar/ff. I went with garmin 2010c and furuno 1732cnt with sounder module. It is very common to look for a botoom spot stored in Gps and need simultaneous access to fish finder to find spot. It is also common to follow gps map and use radar when running in weather/darkness/fog. However, how frequently do you need radar and fishfinder simultaneously? Of course you can still split screen furuno to use all 3 components at once. Just my opinion. Plus you can only add a 500 watt transducer to the garmin unit whereas furuno takes 600 watt.

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barthu, I like your thinking. right now I am looking at the 2010c and your logic defintely makes sense. I just got a new boat and I'm trying to plan everything out electronics wise.

how do you like the 2010c? its looks like a sweet unit!

I guess it does make sense to get the extra 100 watts. overall how do you like that setup. and how are the sounders capabilities?

barthu, or anyone else for that matter, could you please check out my thread I started here in the electronics forum:

http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?a=tp...1&m=8676009535
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Birdy,

Any reason that I would need the RL70CRC for a 25' CC. I can pick up the SL70CRC for $800 less than the RL. That $800 could go toward a AP or another toy. It is the exact same screen. It appears the only difference is the HSB2 which really does not interest me. I am not all that interesested in the Digital FF.

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If that's the only difference, no problem. BUT, I thought the R was for Radar?? Could be wrong...forget the #'s meanings...

Basically, you want the 7" LCD Color screen, with Raychart and Radar (thats GPS and Radar).

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Bird ...The RL is HSB2....SL is SeaTalk.... Both perform bacisly the same ... just the connuncation between them....

Or in other word's ...If you never want to expand the system with more display's Go SL... If down the road you would like to upgrade the display's and add them for multi display's at one time. Get the RL HSB2.... !!!! Good Luck .John


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I just got the sl70crc at the RI show from Spicers marine for $2950 including the 120 antenna, 2 kw dome and c-map chip. Seems like a good deal for agps with overlay. It will be shipped to my house so no sales tax either. In the west marine book it would be $3300 + tax.
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