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Old 07-12-2004, 04:12 PM
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I have a Raymarine ST5000 (pretty sure that's the model number) and I can't figure out why it won't work.

The head unit powers up and seems to function, but it won't engage the wheel. I can look in the bilge and see the gears turning for the unit, but it doesn't turn the lower unit. I've gone through the manual, nothing seems to work. What to do????
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You have an I/O, correct? Gears? ahhhh.....so it's not a hydrolic system?
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Yes it's an I/O. The unit that moves the sterring mounted to the inside of the I/O housing has some small gears that I can see spinning, but not accomplishing anything. In the test mode I can get it to turn hard to starboard, but not to port. I want to get this sucker working, but I'm not sure where to turn at this point. Feeling lost!!
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You must have a "mechanical rotary drive" unit. Sounds like something wrong with the connection between it and the steering arm to your outdrive. I'd call Ray tech support....
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good luck. I have an ST5000 hydrolic and its been nothing but problems. Mine is going back to Raymarine this week for the third time !!!!
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I must say, EVERYONE does complain about that 5000 unit, I don't think I've ever herd anything good about it. But I'll tell ya, my S1G ST6001 Smartpilot is tremendous. The thing works flawlessly. The only problem I've had with it was getting a good location for the fluxgate compass, I kept getting too much deviation, but I have finally found a good location for it and it's been working great. But that had nothing to do with the unit itself, just my location. Having the AP is great for running long trips, but I could live without it, BUT, for trolling, man is that the sh_TTTT!!! I can't beelive I used to stand there trying to hold a straight line for hours on end. Man is it nice to hit the AUTO button.....
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Thanks guys, I'll try RayTech, after that it's into the shop I guess.
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I must say, EVERYONE does complain about that 5000 unit, I don't think I've ever herd anything good about it. But I'll tell ya, my S1G ST6001 Smartpilot is tremendous. The thing works flawlessly. The only problem I've had with it was getting a good location for the fluxgate compass, I kept getting too much deviation, but I have finally found a good location for it and it's been working great. But that had nothing to do with the unit itself, just my location. Having the AP is great for running long trips, but I could live without it, BUT, for trolling, man is that the sh_TTTT!!! I can't beelive I used to stand there trying to hold a straight line for hours on end. Man is it nice to hit the AUTO button.....
You aint just a BuLLsh_TTTTin Bird.

I love mine 2. I had a regulator and a cabin cruiser following me to Bimini last week because it could hold a course easier than they could. The benefits for trolling are killer.
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I have a 5000 that has been a total POS since day one.* It's gone from pretty bad to worse, and it's still under warranty.* I'm talking with Raymarine about trading the control head for a 6001 model.* Hopefully it won't be too expensive, but at least I think it'll finally work right.* I'd love to get a TR1, but this will be a whole lot less money.* Hopefully it'll last long enough to make it worth it. *
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Hey DWH_1987, I'd like to hear how you make out with Raymarine. My ST5000 is going back to the factory this week for the third time and it's also still under warranty. I may do the same as you.
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Old 07-14-2004, 12:13 PM
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Make sure you opt for the S1G version. It has the rate compass, and new steering software.
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I already have the rate compass, because I bought it to try to help the performance of my 5000 before the thing went totally haywire.* It did help stableize my planing performance.* Are you saying the S1 version doesn't have all the steering software?* That isn't the way I read their stuff on the Raymarine website.* Those updates are the reason I want the new control head in the first place.
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I looked the stuff up on Raymarine's site to make sure I'm not blowing smoke.* Here's the chart that defines the S1 and S1G versions.* It's on the "corepack" description.*

http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/Default.asp?site=1&Section=2&Page=161& Parent=5

If you look under the "Related Control Heads" section, it lists four STx001 models.* Click on ST6001, and there is nothing about S1 or S1G versions.* I'm going to ask a live human at Raymarine, but I believe this implies that there is just one ST6001 control head, the S1G moniker adds the rate compass to the corepack package.* I love marketing people!
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you apparently missed it then.


S1 SmartPilot Corepack
NEW SmartPilot S1 12-volt Autopilot Corepack

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S1G SmartPilot Corepack
NEW SmartPilot S1G 12-volt Autopilot Corepack with built in Rate Gyro and AST (Advanced Steering Technology)


By the way the rate gyro is not the same thing as a rate compass. The rate compass is internally corrected for boat movement. The rate gyro transmit boat movement data so the steering algorithms can better control the pump. Sorry for my mistake calling it a rate compass.
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Missed what?* I still think AST software is in the rate gyro, and that both S1 and S1G corepacks use the same control head.* The only 6001 control head part number I can find is E12098.* Is there another one?* Otherwise, the S1 feature list showing the AST software as an "upgradeable" feature is pretty hard to understand, as well as the lack of 2 versions of the control head listed on their website.*
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Sorry to keep beating this dead horse, but I've done a lot of research now, and it may help somebody.* The AST software resides in the T150 or T400 course computers.* It is not activated unless a rate gyro is connected to the course computer.* The ST6001 control head is just the human interface, unlike the ST5000 which also has a course computer of sorts built into it.*

For reference, check out http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/S...81198_1www.pdf

Appendix A.1 describes hooking up to a T150 or T400 course computer, and describes enabling the AST and Autolearn software.*
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huh, I thought you knew that already or I would have said it. sorry for my not paying more attention to your lack of knowingness. j/k

From what I can tell the 6001 that is not the s1g may still be susceptible to the same poor steering as the old 5000's. So definitely go with the S1G version.
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Birdy and Sea-Dad,
Thanks for helping me with the install on the Raymarine. It would have taken me alot longer on the install if you guys did not have the Tropica info and Seastar kit info. I was able to have everything on hand, even the piece of aluminum stock, when I started. No surprises, still took about 8hrs though.

The only thing is I have an old Ratheon 420 chartplotter and it will not make a route to follow. But I can go waypoint to waypoint no problems. Guess I will get a new 435C in the near future. Birdy, do you use routes much, or do ya just clear the inlet and track a waypoint with the AP? Just wondering what I might be missing out on!!
Anyhow, watching it calibrate itself was pretty cool and it worked great the first time. Thanks and I owe you guys an adult beverage of your choice oneday..
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good deal. Is it performing well for you?

For what it's worth I dont use waypoints, so I dont know what you're missing either.
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I'd recommend playing with the RC135 for a while in the store, with a chip in it, to make sure you're happy with the ergonomics.* I'm in the process of helping a buddy take his out of his boat and return it.* My opinion, the maps work ok, but the speed and heading numbers are way too hard to read.* In general, I don't think they worked the ergonomics out at all.* Garmin's my choice for chartplotters, but there are other good ones also.* I don't think this one measures up.
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