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Old 12-27-2009, 07:40 PM
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Default Simrad AP11 Control Unit bad - Options?

So, I have diagnosed my AP11 system with a bad control unit. The unit has been on the way out for a while. The J3000X junction box looks as though it's in fine condition, so I'm wonder, what options, short of upgrading to a new system, do I have? I know I could look for another AP11 control unit and simply replace it, but what else can I do? It appears the AP22 uses the same junction box, could I just pick up an AP22 control head and simply swap it to have an upgraded system? Any other ideas? I'm trying to save money but possibly end up with an upgraded system.
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:22 AM
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tell me more about the problem. does it power up intermittantly? do you have key problems? is the display intermittant? most times its a bad trace on the board. i have repaired a few with this problem. this is mostly caused by over tightening the mounting screws. which leads to moisture and corrosion i would spend some time looking for a used control head or have the corroded trace repaired. otherwise you either have to install a complete new system or upgrade to an ap24. you can still use the pump and the RF300 feedback mounted at the rudder
the ap11 was my favorite pilot. an ap11 22 25 and 26 control will work with a j3000x but will not work with anything newer.
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Thanks so much for the input. I think I should do some more troubleshooting first before I buy a new control head...this unit went out on my almost a year ago, I just haven't gotten around to it until now. I think I must have forgotten how much I appreciate actually having an AP.

Anyway, from what I can remember, the screen slowly lost it's picture...the numbers, etc become less and less readable, and eventually you couldn't really see anything on the screen, and then the screen wouldn't turn on anymore, period. I remember doing some troubleshooting, but I don't remember how much I did...I do think I verified there was voltage going to the screen, and the board itself on the J3000x looked to be in fine condition, so I assumed it was the control head.

Anyway, if I can determine the J3000x is still good, I'd like to just get a new or used control head. Out of the 4 you mention, it looks like the ap11, 22, and 26 will fit in the cutout. Are the 22 or 25 upgrades from the 11?
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was the display exposed to bright sunlight on a daily basis?

i would have to inspect the main board. the clear inner plastic case does come apart. it's held together by screws and silicone. cut away as much of the silicone as you can and don't force the shell apart

only the 11 will fit an 11 cutout
simrad still has this webpage for reference http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en/Pr...P11-Autopilot/

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pm me if you decide to operate
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Philgorp, Interesting to see you seem to have extensive knowledge of the AP11. I have one with a newTeleflex smartstick rudder sensor. Obviously the old sensor failed and i was advised to purchase this one. The AP was working with the smarstick but has just recently started playing up.
When going thru the dockset procedure the bars only light up on the Starboard side of the control unit even when it is hard over to port! This is after establishing the rudder centre position. I have checked the Smartstick and it is performing correctly. I think the problem could be in the junction box? is this possible? any suggestions please?
I would be happy to update but I have just rebuilt the pump motor as well and would like to use as many exsisting parts as poss.
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Old 01-01-2010, 08:57 PM
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based on what you say you need to unclamp the magnet on the cylinder turn the magnet 180 deg and clamp it back on
there are arrows on the stick and the magnet. both must point to the same side of the boat
start with that
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Philgorp- If Marsh upgrades to a used AP22 to use with the old j-box would he need to replace the tiny but pricey software chips in the j-box and/or control head to get them compatible with the "latest" sw version?

I recall having to do that (2 chips) when replacing an AP300PX remote with a new AP21 to work with existing AP22 & J300 box quite a while back. It was easy to open the cases & change them out .
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yep the ap300x series was the first series (ap3000x ap300cx 300px 300dlx controlheads) that came out when simrad switched over from the j1000b junction unit products in the early 90s. they used j300/3000 and later ac10 20 40 case till a couple of years ago. your pretty safe within the same series, but you have to be careful.

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ThanksPhilgorp but i know that i installed that correctly we have rechecked that several times.
I had an electrician friend make sure the Smartstick was installed and working correctly.
Any other ideas please?
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I'm pretty sure I have all the electronics for an AP11. The stuff is used, but was working when I took it out. I don't recall the system having a smartstick. I've sent you a PM about it, because the stuff is just collecting dust on my shelf. It looked too useful to toss.
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ThanksPhilgorp but i know that i installed that correctly we have rechecked that several times.
I had an electrician friend make sure the Smartstick was installed and working correctly.
Any other ideas please?
sounds like its gone south. if you need a replacement get it from land n sea. simrad wants 500$ for the same part.
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Kerno , I could be interested in some of your bits for the ap11 or maybe give me a price for the whole system. How old do you estimate it is and what did it come out of? Also what did you replace it with and why? cheers
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jekyl, just thinking.
you tried a master reset right? the teleflex smart stick usually just dies.
if you haven't,, then do a MR. and then the rudder setup one more time. remember if after you set the stbd angle. and the display jumps to the opposite side when you turn to port. you can still adjust the angle the correct value and range. leave it HO port and just keep pushing the port < key. till it flips back to the correct port angle value. if it goes back thru the range to stbd when you turn the wheel, then do the rudder test. it helps the pilot reorient

like i said, if you haven't already

i have seen one j300 out of a few hundred do this.
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Philgorp i am not familar with the master reset? I have been doing the Dockset and seaset procedures. Can you run me thru the master reset i have the AP11 manual.
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write down your parameters.
go to the dockside menu look for reset at the end.
choose yes
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Kerno, I have not received any info re the AP11 sale. Would appreciate any advice .......
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I've got some AP11 parts. I think mine's crapping out again. It just doesn't seem to want to turn about 1/2 the time and sometimes thinks it really time to turn fast.. Too dangerous to trust. I switched to the smart stick and the rudder sensor is fine and the pump is fine since it turns when I hold the buttons. If I don't need the 3000 box or the heading sensor our the other pieces I may give them up. My display is getting sticky buttons again. .Grrrrrr.
I'm about ready to but the Garmin in.
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Hope I'm not hijacking the thread--not the intent

SIMRAD AP11 -- SALE or TRADE
I've got all Garmin electronics on boat except for the SIMRAD AP11 autopilot so -- I want to move to a GARMIN Garmin GHP10 Autopilot.

SIMRAD AP11 has Course Computer/Heading Sensor, 3000ECU, SmartStick Rudder Position Sensor, Control Unit and Pump.

Might consider parting out but would prefer to SELL/TRADE as a working system. Would alsosle without pump.

The SmartStick Rudder Position Sensor is as new--I mounted it on steering rod and tested system.

Includes all cables, manuals.

Let me know if anybody wants to work out a swap--or purchase interest.
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How much for the unit?
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SIMRAD AP11 -- SALE or TRADE
I've got all Garmin electronics on boat except for the SIMRAD AP11 autopilot so -- I want to move to a GARMIN Garmin GHP10 Autopilot.

SIMRAD AP11 has Course Computer/Heading Sensor, 3000ECU, SmartStick Rudder Position Sensor, Control Unit and Pump.

Might consider parting out but would prefer to SELL/TRADE as a working system. Would alsosle without pump.

The SmartStick Rudder Position Sensor is as new--I mounted it on steering rod and tested system.

Includes all cables, manuals.

Let me know if anybody wants to work out a swap--or purchase interest.
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