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Old 11-12-2003, 04:29 PM
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Default Which Color Depthfinder Distinguishes Fish Species?

Spacing between fish is also a good indicator. For instance, I can cruise around a structure after limiting on amberjack, which would be thick, to find an isolated school of snapper. Their signatures are different and the spacing of the fish is wider on the AJs.

Can you really spot a flounder on the bottom????? Never tried, but would love to know. Bottom zoom? A-Scope? Please explain. I dearly love flatfish.
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Old 11-12-2003, 04:33 PM
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I think I get it Thom.

But on the same day in about the same depth, with the same water temp and same meter settings, why do trout show up to this salty capt (and his client looking over his shoulder) as lavender, stripers show up as red and sharks show up a bright blue?

Aren't we going to give the electronics any credit for this phenomena?

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Old 11-12-2003, 04:46 PM
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Default Which Color Depthfinder Distinguishes Fish Species?

Most of the time using the old Lowrance X-16 paper machine, depending on sea conditions I could tell what was under my boat.

I have the Furuno 582, great machine but still not as good as paper.

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Wild Bill,

Yes, of course the electronics get credit. That's why Furuno's are so loved, they do this better than anyone else.

Here's the deal, deep in the gizmos that make up the fishfinder there is some sort of logic circuit and it works something like this. The fish finder is putting out a pulse of energy with 10X power. Ping! it goes off into the water. The sound hits something and comes back but the return echo is only 1x in strength. There are a number of things that make that return echo weaker than the outgoing one was and they are almost all related to how far it traveled through water of some salinity and some temperature. The other big component of the strength of the return echo is how reflective of sound the target was. A jelly fish does not give good echos. A fish with large hard scales, let's say a Tarpon, gives very very good echos in deed.

Now at the fish finder 10x is going out and the very strongest return that can possibly come back is 1x, so the fish finder will paint a dot on the screen in the appropriate place every time it gets a return echo with a strength between 0.8x and 1.0x. That dot will be bright red If the return echo strength is 0.6x to 0.79x it might paint the dot yellow, and so on through the colors from very harsh red to very gentel green at the soft end of the scale. But you have to remember the hardness or softness of the painted dot is a function of more than the absolute strength of the return, its is also related to the depth from which it came - which is a function of the time of the echo return, not its strength.

So, with that special knowledge, normally reserved for the grand master wizards, you can now see why a Tarpon swimming under the boat will show up as a nice Red target while some small baitfish down below it might only rate a light blue or green. Me, I can never tell anything. Sometimes I yell out, Wow! Shit! Look, there's something down there. Then we continue to fish ......

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Thanks Thom for all the info-

You have answered my question--Furuno.

The reason all this is important is that we are fortunate to have lots of stripers in the Chesapeake now--many are small, some med, some large. Fishermen who fish often catch a bunch of them. I guess it is human nature to always want to catch what is harder to find. I like catching stripers, particularly big ones, but get a big thrill out of catching big gray trout or speckled trout on light tackle or fly.

When an image on a depthfinder that represents a fish appears, it would be great to know that it was a trout and not stripers or blues. I fish a little different for trout--real quiet with the boat and slower retrieve. Also may use a different lure/fly of a different color and lighter FC leader. Will try to "float" the jig/fly past the fish rather than rip it past him. In other words what species is down there is important to me.

Trout do help us some because they often mound up hard on the bottom, while stripers and blues may be a little higher.

I will spend the money on a color sounder if it will help me in the identification.

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