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Cool pics no doubt. Does anyone know if the signal this puts out would interfere with a standard transducer 50/200k? Could you run them at the same time?
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1. What the hell is that in the first picture? Looks like an undwater bridge? OR, is that in a fishtank?
2. Is this using a regular type transducer, OR, is it using an underwater type dragged sidescan type ducer?
3. Why are there shadow's in the images? If you look at fishton's posted images, there are shadows on the sides of the "mountains". Is that caused from the regular transducer because it is simply pointing down like a regular ducer?
4. Will these freqs see fish as well, or just structure?
1. What the hell is that in the first picture? Looks like an undwater bridge? OR, is that in a fishtank?
2. Is this using a regular type transducer, OR, is it using an underwater type dragged sidescan type ducer?
3. Why are there shadow's in the images? If you look at fishton's posted images, there are shadows on the sides of the "mountains". Is that caused from the regular transducer because it is simply pointing down like a regular ducer?
4. Will these freqs see fish as well, or just structure?
My guess is that what look like shawdows are areas that the down scan doesnt get a good return from as the are vertical.. These areas would be displayed in a darker color. The surfaces that the down scan pics up which flatter at the top are displayed in a lighter color. Thus a shawdow effect.
All these down scan shots have me wanting to add one to my boat to work in conjunction with my FCV585. The questioned that was asked previously which I also want to know is if down scan can be used while a 50/200Khz sounder is on without compromising either. I am really amazed at the quality of the images produced by this technology. I wonder if and when Garmin or Furuno might produce something similar??
It looks like a B/W photograph created back in the 1800's.
I wonder what's instore for us when we finally get to the end of the marine electronics rainbow?
Last edited by The Hat Island Pirate; 10-08-2009 at 12:46 PM.
I wonder what's instore for us when we finally get to the end of the marine electronics rainbow?
A lot more having to reboot your chartplotter.
Seriously, Humminbird was doing this 4 years ago. I had their first side scan unit and it was very cool... when the water was flat, pretty impressive detail. However, try to use it in 2-4 and it was impossible. Curious what these guys have done differently and if anyone has solved the problem of wave interferance through software. (a la "digital image stabilization" on cameras)
It seems to me that wave action, being cyclicle, or repetitious to some predictable degree, could be cancelled in a software algorythm, as I'm sure, the varying shades of brown, and shadow-effects are being done.
I'll also take a shot at answering the question as to whether structure-scan can be used simultaneously with a standard 50/200 ducer. I do think that the frequencies are far enough apart, that there would be no noticeable interference. You can, after all, you can already use 50 and 200 with a standard sounder, at them same time. So until someone comes out with a statement to the contrary, I say it will work just fine.
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If there is the right accelerometer then they may be able to wash out the 3 to 4 footers.
The dark areas that look like shadows are indeed shadows, when I demoed the unit thats what the tech said and they matched up with the object causing the shadow pretty good.
Where was all this conversation a month ago before I bought my 3210 package?
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The structure scan transducer has 455 kHz, 800 kHz and 200 kHz freq's available. There will be no interferrence between them. From what I have read, there is a mode where you can process the 200 kHz sonar and overlay the imaging sonar onto your normal sonar display. This helps in the visulization of the sonar picture under your boat. Also, 50 kHz will also be far enough away from the other freq's as to not be a problem.
While it's nice to see other manufacturers using this technology, it's been on the humminbird's for several years. I use one in the Gulf every trip and it has been the best diving purchase ever. Worthless in anything deeper than 100ft, but that covers pretty much 90% of us on the west coast of FL.
1. What the hell is that in the first picture? Looks like an undwater bridge? OR, is that in a fishtank*?
It is a very steep drop off / under water cliff.
* that's just being silly
2. Is this using a regular type transducer, OR, is it using an underwater type dragged sidescan type ducer?
It is the LSS-1 455/800kHz transducer
3. Why are there shadow's in the images? If you look at fishton's posted images, there are shadows on the sides of the "mountains". Is that caused from the regular transducer because it is simply pointing down like a regular ducer?
See cones in image above .........
4. Will these freqs see fish as well, or just structure?
Does anybody know what options might be available for us Cat owners regarding mounting the transducer? The structure scan ducer is around 7" long plus the kick up bracket for transom mounting. I am considering structure scan to compliment my Furuno 585 1Kw thur hull set up. I was thinking about getting one on back order but I dont know if mounting it will be possible for my setup. Worst case, I might be able to make a retractable bracket that mounts on my swim ladder mount but that is certainly not ideal.
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