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You can also use Lowrance EP60's for a fraction of the cost of the Garmin sensors. I recently installed a Garmin 4210, and used my existing EP60's, worked like a champ. Fuel usage was within .6 gallons on first fillup.
You can use the EP60 with the Garmin system? I am assuming I will still need a NMEA183 to NMEA2000 adapter for use with my 440S just like the GFS10. Correct?
I have installed a couple of the gfs 10 systems. Did one on twin Mercs last week and worked great. Got another dual setup on twin Mariners and twin Suzukis this week.
You can also use Lowrance EP60's for a fraction of the cost of the Garmin sensors. I recently installed a Garmin 4210, and used my existing EP60's, worked like a champ. Fuel usage was within .6 gallons on first fillup.
You can use the EP60 with the Garmin system? I am assuming I will still need a NMEA183 to NMEA2000 adapter for use with my 440S just like the GFS10. Correct?
-Svence
The EP60 will plug directly into the Garmin NMEA 2000 backbone T. If you don't have a GPS rated NEMA 2000, then you will still need the adapter. I'm assuming thats what you want to input, so you can get MPG. I originally purchased a pair of the Garmin GFS 10's, but the EP60's are working so well, that I'm going to leave well enough alone. The EP60's may even give better accuracy as if I remember correctly are rated give a low fuel burn rate of .5 gal/Hr, and the GFS10's are rated for 2 gal/Hr. I have a pair of GFS10's for sale, if anyone is interested, or I'll ebay them soon.
You can also use Lowrance EP60's for a fraction of the cost of the Garmin sensors. I recently installed a Garmin 4210, and used my existing EP60's, worked like a champ. Fuel usage was within .6 gallons on first fillup.
You can use the EP60 with the Garmin system? I am assuming I will still need a NMEA183 to NMEA2000 adapter for use with my 440S just like the GFS10. Correct?
-Svence
The EP60 will plug directly into the Garmin NMEA 2000 backbone T. If you don't have a GPS rated NEMA 2000, then you will still need the adapter. I'm assuming thats what you want to input, so you can get MPG. I originally purchased a pair of the Garmin GFS 10's, but the EP60's are working so well, that I'm going to leave well enough alone. The EP60's may even give better accuracy as if I remember correctly are rated give a low fuel burn rate of .5 gal/Hr, and the GFS10's are rated for 2 gal/Hr. I have a pair of GFS10's for sale, if anyone is interested, or I'll ebay them soon.
The EP60's give you the same info as the GFS10's right? All they are is a flow sensor and the plotter does all the calcs or is there a reason one is 50 bucks and one is 150 bucks?
Do you mean the Garmin? It's not compatible with diesel engines.
From the Garmin support section:
Quote:
Question: Can the GFS 10 be used with Diesel or E85 fuel systems?
Answer:
The GFS 10 is designed for use with gasoline-engine fuel systems only. Do not use the GFS 10 with Diesel-engine fuel systems or with E85 fuel.
Last modified on: 06/11/2008
As for why, the Garmin GFS 10 is a single-line flow meter. You probably know this, but diesel engines don't use all fuel that flows to the engine, and returns the excess back to the tank by way of a fuel return line. I may be way off base, but I think the excess fuel is used to cool certain engine parts such as the injectors.
Measuring flow of only the diesel input line would not give meaningful information on fuel usage. You need to measure the flow of the return line and measure the difference to get fuel burn data. I guess Garmin hasn't made the type of system yet.
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They are both flow meters, and the plotter does all calculations. The only real diff between the two is the Garmin has additional leads which can be hardwired to the fuel gauge to supply fuel gauge readings to the plotter. I personally don't see the need, and if using the GFS10 wouldn't bother to hook this up anyway as all I want is GPH and MPG. You referenced a NEMA 183 to NEMA 2000 adapter cable, and I'm not sure what you're using this for, could you explain this to me?
They are both flow meters, and the plotter does all calculations. The only real diff between the two is the Garmin has additional leads which can be hardwired to the fuel gauge to supply fuel gauge readings to the plotter. I personally don't see the need, and if using the GFS10 wouldn't bother to hook this up anyway as all I want is GPH and MPG. You referenced a NEMA 183 to NEMA 2000 adapter cable, and I'm not sure what you're using this for, could you explain this to me?
It looks like I'm answering my own question about the NEMA 183 and 2000 reference. I looked online at the 440S manual and don't see direct interface to the NEMA 2000 bus. This means you will have to install the GFS10 by using CANet bus, and if you already have a CANet bus you can just connect into it, and if not, you'll have to create one. It also looks like you're stuck with using the GFS10 because the EP60 doesn't appear able to support the CANet bus, and if I'm wrong someone on here will straighten me out. Do a search for CANet bus, and you'll get lots of info. You don't have to buy the Garmin CANet bus, as its really only a shielded cable using termination resistors, which I think you can buy at Radio Shack very reasonable compared to Garmin's price. Here is the GFS 10 installation manual info that will also help answer questions on the CANet bus installation. http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GFS10...ti-lingual.pdf
the 4000 and 5000 series plotters dont need the CANNET. they come with a NMEA2000 port on the back of the units and can do all the network connections thru that
Yeah that's what I was worried about. But I don't know if the GFS "supports" CANet or the adapter converts NMEA2000 to CANet for the 440S to understand....make sense? I would assume that the GFS sends out data in one format, NMEA2000, I don's see anywhere on there that it needs to be put in CANet mode which we lead me to believe that the adapter makes the 440S accept NMEA2000. I would be interested in seeing what others think....anyone have a clue?
i got a cannet adaptor in my GFS 10 packaging All it is is a nmea2000 female fitting on one end and 3 wires and a ground on the other.
If you cannot use the nmea2000 wiring on your unit it says this
in the install manual it reads "If you do not have an existing CANet bus, you will ned to install a CANet kit (010-10742-00)"
So basically if you already have a CANet with your unit, then you can still use the GFS-10, you will just need to connect it into your CANet bus using the supplied adaptor with the GFS-10.
Beyond that I cant help you with CANet. My garmin 4210 didnt need it, and Ive got everything networked thru the NMEA2000 network.
Yeah that's what I was worried about. But I don't know if the GFS "supports" CANet or the adapter converts NMEA2000 to CANet for the 440S to understand....make sense? I would assume that the GFS sends out data in one format, NMEA2000, I don's see anywhere on there that it needs to be put in CANet mode which we lead me to believe that the adapter makes the 440S accept NMEA2000. I would be interested in seeing what others think....anyone have a clue?
-Svence
I looked at the 440S manual online but did not see reference to it being able to accept the GFS10 input for fuel usage. Check with Garmin tech support to see if the 440 has a software/firmware update for showing fuel usage, and if so then you'll have to use the CANet input because the 440S doesn't have a NEMA 2000 port. The GFS10 has a NEMA2000 to CANet adapter supplied with the sensor. I looked at the specs and the 440S is CANet compatable, but still can't determine if it has a page which will give you fuel readings, so that is a question for Garmin tech support. I would be interested in the outcome, so please let us know.
Yeah that's what I was worried about. But I don't know if the GFS "supports" CANet or the adapter converts NMEA2000 to CANet for the 440S to understand....make sense? I would assume that the GFS sends out data in one format, NMEA2000, I don's see anywhere on there that it needs to be put in CANet mode which we lead me to believe that the adapter makes the 440S accept NMEA2000. I would be interested in seeing what others think....anyone have a clue?
-Svence
I looked at the 440S manual online but did not see reference to it being able to accept the GFS10 input for fuel usage. Check with Garmin tech support to see if the 440 has a software/firmware update for showing fuel usage, and if so then you'll have to use the CANet input because the 440S doesn't have a NEMA 2000 port. The GFS10 has a NEMA2000 to CANet adapter supplied with the sensor. I looked at the specs and the 440S is CANet compatable, but still can't determine if it has a page which will give you fuel readings, so that is a question for Garmin tech support. I would be interested in the outcome, so please let us know.
The GFS 10 works with the 400-500 series, I have the fuel info tab on mine after I did the most recent update. Now the question is does the CANet to NMEA2000 adapter make a NMEA2000 port on the 400-500 series so you can use a EP60 fuel flow sensor that is NMEA2000. Where's Bluewaterpirate when you need him!
I was looking at the spec to install the gfs 10. I have a question for anyone who has installed one before. Do you need to connect the fuel sensor to a power source if your using a NEMA 2000 network or is the power to the NEMA network enough?
Yeah that's what I was worried about. But I don't know if the GFS "supports" CANet or the adapter converts NMEA2000 to CANet for the 440S to understand....make sense? I would assume that the GFS sends out data in one format, NMEA2000, I don's see anywhere on there that it needs to be put in CANet mode which we lead me to believe that the adapter makes the 440S accept NMEA2000. I would be interested in seeing what others think....anyone have a clue?
-Svence
I looked at the 440S manual online but did not see reference to it being able to accept the GFS10 input for fuel usage. Check with Garmin tech support to see if the 440 has a software/firmware update for showing fuel usage, and if so then you'll have to use the CANet input because the 440S doesn't have a NEMA 2000 port. The GFS10 has a NEMA2000 to CANet adapter supplied with the sensor. I looked at the specs and the 440S is CANet compatable, but still can't determine if it has a page which will give you fuel readings, so that is a question for Garmin tech support. I would be interested in the outcome, so please let us know.
The GFS 10 works with the 400-500 series, I have the fuel info tab on mine after I did the most recent update. Now the question is does the CANet to NMEA2000 adapter make a NMEA2000 port on the 400-500 series so you can use a EP60 fuel flow sensor that is NMEA2000. Where's Bluewaterpirate when you need him!
-Svence
If you look at the CANet wiring for the GFS10, and then compare to the EP60, which has no external wiring, only a NEMA2000 plug, I would say no to the EP60. You're stuck with the GFS10, you can't CANet the EP60.
I was looking at the spec to install the gfs 10. I have a question for anyone who has installed one before. Do you need to connect the fuel sensor to a power source if your using a NEMA 2000 network or is the power to the NEMA network enough?
you need to go to power and ground, and can optionally also hook into a fuel guage/level sensor
Re: Garmin Fuel Sensor w/4208
