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Old 03-20-2008, 09:27 PM
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I know cell phone signal boosters have been discussed and the general opinion is they don't really work too well, at least not more than 25 miles off shore.

Is this still true? Does anyone know of a combination that works good?

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Old 03-21-2008, 05:09 AM
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When you are 25 miles off shore, there is no signal to boost.

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There are places 25 miles off shore that do work, but cell boosters are a waste of money. Install a good antenna and get an adaptor cable for your cell.

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Like where?

Disagree that amps are a waste, mine has paid for itself many times over. Do agree that one should start with a good antenna and see if that gets you what you need before spending extra bucks. You'll need the antenna anyway.

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Like where?

Disagree that amps are a waste, mine has paid for itself many times over. Do agree that one should start with a good antenna and see if that gets you what you need before spending extra bucks. You'll need the antenna anyway.

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In the North Gulf there are many cell towers out on Oil rigs. When the FCC created cellular licenses back in the 80's they created one for the Gulf of Mexico, two carriers were awarded cellular licenses for the entire Gulf of Mexico.

Because of this many land based carriers could not extend their coverage into the water as they would be infringing on the Gulf license area. Some land based carriers did file major Modifications into the Gulf that did not get protested by the Gulf carriers for one reason or another. So there are a few places where land based cell service extends out into the gulf, sometimes out to the 25 mile area.

As cell service has expanded the land based carriers have had to lower antenna heights and short space cell sites to provide the capacity needed in a frequency reuse network, as a result of this engineering the land based coverage is now interference based and the network engineering is optimized over land creating interference on the water where the propagation characteristics are different. This adds to the lower service levels we notice on water based cellular communications as the signal goes farther than on land and towers interfere with one another. In a digital world this creates dropped calls and muted interruptions while talking and listening. In the old analog world we just heard other people talking. The reduced tower heights have effectively reduced coverage out into the water.

Basically the coverage in the gulf over water from land based cell sites is line of site communication as there are no structures or foliage to attenuate the signal. Because of this line of site communication it is not power based but antenna height based. So mounting a high gain antenna up on top of the vessel raises the height above water for the boat based mobile and takes away the near field attenuation of the vessel and people/equipment next to the cell phone's internal antenna and in the line of site to the land based tower.

So you can raise the output power all you want and all you are doing is shooting signals out into space as the land based tower is below the horizon. In addition cell phone operation is duplex operation, the signal goes in both directions so raising the output power of the cell on the vessel is only one link, that does nothing for the tower signal back to the cell phone. You are also creating problems for the entire cell network as the cellular engineering assumes mobile power outputs of no more than 600 milliwatts. So by raising the cell phone output power up to several watts you are just creating more interference on the cellular network. In addition many of the new power amplifiers respond to the networks dynamic power control signals, so even if you install one it will most likely just be powered down to the original power level associated with the Station Class Mark of your mobile, meaning you paid for nothing. Manu cell networks now set a maximum power level for all mobiles that is transmitted in overhead messaging to each mobile/amplifier combo.

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I have used my cell phone/amp/antenna combo out to 45+ miles. However, it is not reliable at that distance. For reliability, I need to be with 20-25 miles of shore. Once in a freak of nature, my cell phone/amp/antenna worked out to 75NM, when I got back to the dock, I ran right out and bought a lottery ticket.....
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:16 AM
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Jf: your last few paragraphs are spot on, I am too lazy to do that much typing. Why I said that if there is no signal to amplify, it don't help.

Actually I am quite familiar with the situation out in the Gulf oil fields; my old company is a supplier to several oil field service companies to whom we sold amplifiers, antennas, Telular data/fax equipment, modern GSM "Bag" and fixed phones etc. Back in the old analog days, long distance was easier to achieve for a variety of reasons, just one being power.

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Sounds like there are a couple wireless experts on this thread so I'm hoping I can pick your brain for advice.

I have a fishing camp up in Maine with very marginal cell coverage. Occassionally we'll be able to pick up a message in our camp, but usually no signal. We get slightly better coverage when we climb up a boulder right behind the camp that gets us up another 20 feet. If we have to have a real call, we hike up the ridge (couple hundred yards and maybe 30-40 feet in elevation) and have found a couple spots where we can have a pretty good signal (what we call our phone booth.)

So my question is: Would it help at all if we attached one of the 8 ft shakespeare cell antennas to the peak of our camp (roof is 12 feet so 20 feet total), and connected it directly to our cell phone (using one of the 3 ft adapters.) We don't have electricity up there so a booster is out. Would one of those directional yagi antennas be better?

Not sure it matters, but I looked up the nearest anetnna tower on the FCC website and it is about 6 miles away. The tower is 350 ft tall with a base elevation about 250 ft higher than my camp, with no higher points in between (but of course plenty of tall trees around.) And I’m not sure if it is for a specific network or even at cell tower at all. – Any way to get that info?

Thanks in advance for your advice and help!!
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I have used the Digital Antenna boosters for both my Verizon and Southern Linc (similiar to Nextel) . They indeed work and improve performance both on and offshore. I can't argue with the scientists above, but I just have greatly improved service when I have my phones plugged into the boosters, simple as that. . The higher your antenna and the smoother the waves, the better.
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:49 AM
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I don't know as much about how cell phones work as the above have posted. But I have Digital Ant. and booster and where I'm at in NC when I lose my signal I can hook up the booster and ant. and can get service. So it does work for me. But I'm not saying 50 miles. But 20-25 miles yes.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:19 PM
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What about without the booster? We don't have power up there, so I guess the question is whether just an external antenna is helpful?

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