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I am purchasing a Hydra-Sports 3300VX in the next month which has pretty much everything but Autopilot. The option that usually comes with the boat is the ST6001g. I've been trying to research these with very limited success other than the small issues that usually come up during installation. As far as features go is it worth upgrading to the 8001? What are the main differences?
Another puzzling question to me is what is the difference between the ST6001g and the ST6002g. I pulled both up on the Raymarine website, but they appear to be the same.
The 8001 has a larger display (about double the width) and a rotary dial instead of push buttons to change the heading. The funcitonality is the same.
The 6001 and 6002 are identical in form factor and function. The 6002 is more curved and looks like it fits more closely with the C and E series displays. The 6001 is more boxy.
Also, the STXXX2 units have a display power off feature (which the STXXX1 and below did not have)
All the components of the auto pilot and the performance will be the same, the difference is the control heads- the 8001/2 units have a rotary knob, which is nice.
__________________ I am a Marine Electronics rigger. My opinons do not reflect those of my boss or anyone but me, and I am not a shill. My answers are based on 20 years of doing it for a living, and 40 years of doing it for love. your mileage may vary.
jpopa - I think you are missing some info, thus part of your confusion.
The Raymarine Autopilots consist of a control head (this will be a ST6001, ST6002, ST8001, ST8002, etc type of number) - check out http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/D...e=160&Parent=5 for the differences. above posters referenced this 'difference' for you.
But... you had a 'g' at the end of you model number in your questions. Are you referring to the difference in the 'core pack'. Most people buy the autopilot via a core pack that includes the control head, course computer, fluxgate compas and a device to know the posistion of your motor/rudder. These are represented with the identifiers like 'S1, S2, S1G, S2G, etc.' check out - http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/D...e=161&Parent=5 for the differences.
I recommend the ST6002 S2G. This give you the 'basic' control head (get the 8000 series if you want more) and the Rate Gyro and AST functions (the 'G' represents these in the model number, no 'G' and it is the standard core pack). The '2' means you get a larger pump but more importantly a faster heading output cycle.
Is this the difference you were looking for? Give Jim a call at BOE (vendor sponsor) and he should also be able to tell you more specifics.
don't do it...this is not a cheerleader thing for TR-1, but the truth - if this boat has trips - it needs the big pump of TR-1 - the Ray will not give you low speed steering or steering in rough seas - Look at the diff in the size pumps. The pump on the left is the tr-1 , the one on the right is my old 6001 S1G Raymarine. If you have everything top notch on this new boat - get the TR-1. It just flat works better.....
The "2" is the latest model and the "1" is last years model. I think the back-lighting color is now different????I have the 8001G and have used it for just 1 year and I am very satisfied. It couldn't be easier to use and works perfectly. We have long runs to get to the Tuna 80+ miles each way and It is a pleasure with the 8001G. I also use it navigating through the bay which requires lots of turns to stay within the channel and the rotary knob is sweet................Now, that said, I have a set of Yanmar inboards. I have heard and read many people with outboards not happy with the Ramarine Pilot. Also I purchased a complete Raymarine E series network with multiple screens and all the bells and whistles and had it all professionally installed at once. Personally I feel that makes a difference performance wise as well. You may want to go with the consensus of the guys with the outboards for your application.......................
The "2" is the latest model and the "1" is last years model. I think the back-lighting color is now different????I have the 8001G and have used it for just 1 year and I am very satisfied. It couldn't be easier to use and works perfectly. We have long runs to get to the Tuna 80+ miles each way and It is a pleasure with the 8001G. I also use it navigating through the bay which requires lots of turns to stay within the channel and the rotary knob is sweet................Now, that said, I have a set of Yanmar inboards. I have heard and read many people with outboards not happy with the Ramarine Pilot. Also I purchased a complete Raymarine E series network with multiple screens and all the bells and whistles and had it all professionally installed at once. Personally I feel that makes a difference performance wise as well. You may want to go with the consensus of the guys with the outboards for your application.......................
there is a huge diff between inboard and outboard AP applications......inboards are moving rudders (easy) - in slop and wind moving total engine assembly's are much harder - and moving them FAST to keep a tracking line is harder...
Thank you all for your responses. I have looked up the TR-1 and it sounds like a very good system. Who has the best deal on the TR-1?
My boat will only have twins, but if I do go with the Raymarine should I upgrade to the larger size pump anyway? The boat comes with a 12" Raymarine Display with Radar, GPS, and fishfinder. I just figured the Raymarine autopilot would synchronize better with the Raymarine Electronics package already on the boat. If all autopilots have the ability to fun off the Raymarine GPS, etc than I have no problem going to another manuf. with less history of problems.
From what I've read here by doing searches on the Raymarine it seems most people's problems stem from the rudder feedback mechanism. If this is the case, and there are few complaints of actual functionality of the system I will still consider the Raymarine, probably the 8002 as I like the bigger display and form factor more, but just omit the rudder feedback if it is not needed. Is it the consensus that the Raymarine systems are not good for outboards? This is definitely a deal killer.
Thank you all for your responses. I have looked up the TR-1 and it sounds like a very good system. Who has the best deal on the TR-1?
My boat will only have twins, but if I do go with the Raymarine should I upgrade to the larger size pump anyway? The boat comes with a 12" Raymarine Display with Radar, GPS, and fishfinder. I just figured the Raymarine autopilot would synchronize better with the Raymarine Electronics package already on the boat. If all autopilots have the ability to fun off the Raymarine GPS, etc than I have no problem going to another manuf. with less history of problems.
From what I've read here by doing searches on the Raymarine it seems most people's problems stem from the rudder feedback mechanism. If this is the case, and there are few complaints of actual functionality of the system I will still consider the Raymarine, probably the 8002 as I like the bigger display and form factor more, but just omit the rudder feedback if it is not needed. Is it the consensus that the Raymarine systems are not good for outboards? This is definitely a deal killer.
Thanks again everyone.
-Jordan
if you have got yam's, the RM system has rudder feedback - only Simrad and TR-1 offer no rudder feedback..and there is no pump upgrade on the RM...and on a big A$$ boat like that I would have nothing but the TR-1....
start reading here and call sean...he's the regional mgr...does anyone else offer to talk to the factory first and then a dealer?....he'll tell you where to go....
Thank you all for your responses. I have looked up the TR-1 and it sounds like a very good system. Who has the best deal on the TR-1?
My boat will only have twins, but if I do go with the Raymarine should I upgrade to the larger size pump anyway? The boat comes with a 12" Raymarine Display with Radar, GPS, and fishfinder. I just figured the Raymarine autopilot would synchronize better with the Raymarine Electronics package already on the boat. If all autopilots have the ability to fun off the Raymarine GPS, etc than I have no problem going to another manuf. with less history of problems.
From what I've read here by doing searches on the Raymarine it seems most people's problems stem from the rudder feedback mechanism. If this is the case, and there are few complaints of actual functionality of the system I will still consider the Raymarine, probably the 8002 as I like the bigger display and form factor more, but just omit the rudder feedback if it is not needed. Is it the consensus that the Raymarine systems are not good for outboards? This is definitely a deal killer.
Jordan-
The TR-1 is a very good system, no arguements there, but the Raymarine is a good reliabale system that will function well, and has a history of component reliabilty that noone else can match- no one has the time on the water that raymarine/autohelm does.
>>>if you have got yam's, the RM system has rudder feedback - only Simrad and TR-1 offer no rudder feedback..and there is no pump upgrade on the RM...and on a big A$$ boat like that I would have nothing but the TR-1.... <<<
With the exception of the above personal persoal asssesment, nothing in the above is correct. The raymarine does provide a verado (no rudderfeed****** option ( I installed one last year on a 36' Buddy Davis design center console, and it performed outstandingly). The Raymarine pump upgrade is obtained by ordering a type 2 corepack, making it an S2G package (which I would advise for that vessel, anyway).
You are Likely going to need the raymarine sealed rotary rudder referance sensor, in place of the standard linear sensor, but I'd have to measure the sterring ram clearance to be sure.
Whatever you choose, your intalling dealer should be ready to standby their work and product, and should be willing to spend as much time as needed to make the system perform right.
prodigal - I am assuming on a Hydra sport that he is getting yam 's... then he will need a rudder feedback and if he is getting verado's- the tr-1 is better as I have had the RM verado system and the tr-1 system....no comparision............
you rig RM's for a living correct? and how do you respond to this:
and before we go any farther - I run the veradoclub and TR-1 is a sponsor - THE REASONthey are a sponsor is after I went on a TR-1 boat and called them. I was sold. And for this they were willing to give every VC memeber an extra years worth of warranty when they installed...does anyone else do this? did not pay me anything...
I rig for a living- we make such a lousy margin on parts that it really doesn't matter what we install. I usually recommend Raymarine because it makes customers happy and insures repeat business. The Buddy Davis Design CC I rigged last year- the one with Verados- was a hullalotta boat to be pushing with any outboards, and the Raymarine system performed so well that I would not hesitate to reccomend it again.
the company I works for is a dealer for Raymaine, Furuno, Simrad, Seatel, Polyplanar, Vertex/Standard, and a host of others- I think we are a TR-1 dealer, too, but I'd have to check- I haven't installed one my self, but I believe we have installed them.
I have run three TR-1 equipped vessels, and was impressed by their construction and performance, but as these were deliveries, I did not have to deal with anything but pushing buttons. I don't hesitate to reccomend, it either, but I won't shove any product down anyones throat.
__________________ I am a Marine Electronics rigger. My opinons do not reflect those of my boss or anyone but me, and I am not a shill. My answers are based on 20 years of doing it for a living, and 40 years of doing it for love. your mileage may vary.
Oh- and I did respond in that thread- and forgot to mention that the rudderfeedback pictured is NOT a raymarine unit- it is manufatured by teleflex, and while it can be used with a raymarine system, it's not recommended. A bad installation will adversly affect any product, as I pointed out in that thread.
__________________ I am a Marine Electronics rigger. My opinons do not reflect those of my boss or anyone but me, and I am not a shill. My answers are based on 20 years of doing it for a living, and 40 years of doing it for love. your mileage may vary.
prodigal - please do a favor for everyone here - if you install both, you have a great chance to tell us all what you think - and I do respect your opinion - I installed both with FACTORY RM and TR-1 techs on my boat and the install time, calibration time and perfomance is significantly better with a TR-1...try and install both and report back on what you think
With those engines, and that size boat you need the largest pump available for the setup. (I would also recommend the TR1 which elimates all of these problems)--The linleal feed back is not what you want--better virtual feed back or rotary--and you want the rate gryo compass. Don't make a mistake and buy too small a unit.
I have not recommend against the TR-1. I replied to thread that bash the Raymarine product, and pointed out the obvious errors, becuase it is a good product. I am sure that by the time TR-1 has as many units out there, I will have installed enough to have a considered opinion on it's viability.
Your position seems to be based on as many as three boats- my is literally based on Thousands (low thousands, true). If you had a bad experiance, I do understand that it is dis-heartening, but be a man, and drop the bitterness- it's tedious. After seeing your attacks on others opinions, I deliberately crafted my sig line to put off your predictable accusations of being some kind of shill. When you have as many miles under your keel as I have, you'll likely moderate your strident tone.
__________________ I am a Marine Electronics rigger. My opinons do not reflect those of my boss or anyone but me, and I am not a shill. My answers are based on 20 years of doing it for a living, and 40 years of doing it for love. your mileage may vary.
Your position seems to be based on as many as three boats- my is literally based on Thousands (low thousands, true). If you had a bad experiance, I do understand that it is dis-heartening, but be a man, and drop the bitterness- it's tedious. After seeing your attacks on others opinions, I deliberately crafted my sig line to put off your predictable accusations of being some kind of shill. When you have as many miles under your keel as I have, you'll likely moderate your strident tone.
I don't drink - and really find your comment's not too valid when you say this...
"I think we are a TR-1 dealer, too, but I'd have to check- I haven't installed one myself, but I believe we have installed them."
so after telling you above I respect your opinion, can you install one and use a TR-1 before defending a ray unit and recommeding it to someone in a huge 33 foot heavy outboard boat?
From my post above:
>>>I have run three TR-1 equipped vessels, and was impressed by their construction and performance, but as these were deliveries, I did not have to deal with anything but pushing buttons. I don't hesitate to reccomend, it either, but I won't shove any product down anyones throat.<<<
__________________ I am a Marine Electronics rigger. My opinons do not reflect those of my boss or anyone but me, and I am not a shill. My answers are based on 20 years of doing it for a living, and 40 years of doing it for love. your mileage may vary.
Raymarine ST6001 or ST8001 
