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Old 03-03-2006, 10:23 AM
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Anyone here ever attempted a "No-limit" freedive?

As a free diver who has never experienced no-limits; I would like to hear some "real" thoughts.

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Old 03-03-2006, 11:59 AM
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Are you saying you want to do the weighted sled/assisted ascent thing?

Look for a local freediving club, see if they do competitions. Take a trip to one of the no limit competitions and see how they got started. Not sure, but I would assume that most of this stuff takes place in warm water (Fla, Caribbean, Oz; i.e. not near me.)

FWIW, I would not try this on your own; you're going to need several support divers, EMS on standby, etc.

IANTD apparently has courses, and here's a collection of links: http://www.worlddivingzone.com/FreeDiving/


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I believe, once you get to depth it's pretty cold no matter where you are.
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Are you saying you want to do the weighted sled/assisted ascent thing?

Look for a local freediving club, see if they do competitions. Take a trip to one of the no limit competitions and see how they got started. Not sure, but I would assume that most of this stuff takes place in warm water (Fla, Caribbean, Oz; i.e. not near me.)

FWIW, I would not try this on your own; you're going to need several support divers, EMS on standby, etc.

IANTD apparently has courses, and here's a collection of links: http://www.worlddivingzone.com/FreeDiving/


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Add in the Mediterranean... This sport is big in Italy

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There are freediving sites that would get you answers to this alot faster. Start here: picassoamerica.com or spearboard.com
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FWIW, I would not try this on your own; you're going to need several support divers, EMS on standby, etc.


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I second that. You can black out on the way back up and drown.
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:33 PM
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Thanks for the replies fellas.

Yes, I am talking about a weight assisted sled decent and compressed air ascent.

I know about the nuts and bolts of no-limits as I have a fair amount of free-diving experience.

I was just hoping for a personal experience. i.e. "it was awesome, you need to try it"

Nothing to screw around with, that is a fact.

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Old 03-03-2006, 02:01 PM
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So, you use a weighted sled to plummet to some predetermined depth, and then you rocket yourself back to the surface with compressed air?

All while holding your breath? and hoping you don't black out and drown.

Wow, This has While E. Coyote written all over it. I'm in

It seems like you could do the same thing using bungee cords too, You could have one prestretched from the boat to a 1,000 pound weight on the bottom, and then have another one alongside it, that was triggered once you reached the bottom, So, the first bungee would snap you into the bottom, and then the second one would snap you back into the boat.

I admit, it is probabley not as good as being shot out of a cannon, but it does sound like fun.

I suppose this sport is sort of like the skeleton, it sounds crazy, but it must be fun if it has a following.
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Old 03-03-2006, 02:30 PM
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you got it dwg.

1. Weighted sled on a cable with a tank full of air attached to said sled.

2. Pull the pin and rush down to a depth.

3. Unscrew a valve and fill a "balloon" with air

4. Fly to the surface w/o dying.

5. Dont forget letting a small amount of sea water (at more extreme depths) in your nose to aid in relieving the pressure in your ears. (dont want to waste precious oxygen).

Fact is it has to be an extremely lonely place at the end of that cable. Cold, dark, and CANNOT inhale any type air (mixed or otherwise).

The allure of no limit is basically "going where no man has gone before (without oxygen assistance)"

The dangers are clear; as any freediver (not just no limit) knows, there is a bizarre euphoria when you get into your diving rhythm. You start feeling like going further and further. Throw a spear in your hand and a 50 lb grouper in front of you and amazingly you dont care a whole lot about breathing anymore.


If anyone is interested in this sort of the thing read "The Dive" by Pipin Ferreras. Pretty gnarly story.

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Old 03-03-2006, 04:46 PM
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Really don't see the point but I guess you can say that about "anything". The thing is . . .the "better" you do, the closer you are to death. "Freediving" is something different all together.



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Old 03-03-2006, 05:01 PM
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No doubt there is something very different than freediving and no-limit.

=I am not sure I grasp the point completely.


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Old 03-04-2006, 11:03 PM
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World record is 209 meters/686 feet! One breath by Patrick Musimu June 30 2005. However in reviewing the web literature, there have been a number of deaths of other divers. No thanks, even if I was young and didn't have heart problems...I used to free dive to 40-50 feet and thought that was pretty good..
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Old 03-04-2006, 11:37 PM
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Anyone here ever attempted a "No-limit" freedive?

As a free diver who has never experienced no-limits; I would like to hear some "real" thoughts.

Cheers
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I do commercial spearfising, by means of freediving and some tank, but never been on a weighted sled. Fiquer if you can comfortably freedive while spearfishing to 50 ft., you can probably double that, just working with a sled and not having your attention on anything else, like fishing.
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:12 AM
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I have had near blackout on ascent on freedives of 65'. My deepest is about 80' holding the boat's anchor off of Catalina Island. My depths are nothing compared to the hardcore freedivers. As the other guys said, people die doing the radical stuff, it's hard. They train by doing prolonged breath holds in pools. My longest is three minutes five seconds. Some crazy people can go way way WAYYYYY longer! It is fascinating how deep those guys go in and hunt fish with a buoy.
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Old 09-26-2006, 11:08 AM
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I just took a 4-day Performance Freediving training course. Pretty interesting stuff and much on safety, too bad accounting wasn't as interesting in college. Here's what I got:

Static breath hold (in the pool) - 4:18
Longest dive: 76' for 2:35
Deepest dive: 105'

Oddly, I couldn't go any deeper because there wasn't any more air to clear my ears.
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I took the Performance freediving course at FIU in miami. Did 4:06 and got to 128'(the end of the rope). It was an incredible feeling at the bottom. The instructors were always within 50 feet and 1/2 the class was rescue oriented. before that I never went deeper than 65ft. Now I hunt in 100'.
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Old 10-25-2006, 10:58 AM
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Hunting at 100 is sick. I've got a connection that's going to help me get into it, but my long term goal is 40ish (depth of nearshore reefs). I can't imagine dropping down to 100', shooting and dealing with a fish, and getting back up. That's awesome. If I'm into it, I'll have to look into some courses.
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