*THE HULL TRUTH is the world's largest FREE network for the discussion of Boating & Fishing. Whether you're researching a new boat, or are a seasoned Captain, you'll find The Hull Truth Boating & Fishing Message Forum contains a wealth of information from Boaters and Sportfishermen around the world.
Protest NMFS, no snapper season, here is what we are doing to get the media involved.
Notices
Welcome to the updated THT!
If you are having trouble signing in, please email feedback@thehulltruth.com with your username and we will help you. We thank you for your patience as we help you access the new site!
Protest NMFS, no snapper season, here is what we are doing to get the media involved.
Please bring your boat to your inlet to protest NMFS. Their poor decisions are ultimately going to lead to the demise of recreational fishing. There plans are currently to reduce the Red Snapper limit to a 30 day season with 1 fish per day or no rec. snapper fishing period.
We are meeting in Perdido Pass in Orange Beach, AL this Saturday from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM central time. Destin, FL is doing it as well. The whole eastern seaboard and gulf of mexico is getting involved as well.
CALLING ALL BOATING – Fishermen and Boating Enthusiast’s We are asking for your support!
· A peaceful protest against the National Marine Fisheries use of “Bad Data” to close a fishery that is so strong that the species are eating each other.
· Please bring your Boat, and join us in Perdido Pass, Saturday, November 7th from 10:00 AM til Noon. For a Peaceful protest to get National Media Attention and try to save not only a fishing industry but a recreational boating community and their way of life.
· The Destin community is challenging us to join them and other communities to let the Country know what the “Federal Government” that needs people to work and play and put money back into the economy. Is doing to a industry.
· We need every person that has a boat to be there.
· We must keep trying.
· 1.) 10 years ago there were few limits and few Snapper. 2.) 5 years ago we had a 4 fish bag limit, 15 inch size limit, and a 6 month season, and lots of Snapper. 3.) Now we have a 75 day season, 2 fish bag limit and 16 inch size limit, and there are so many Snapper, that they are literally eating each other along with any other fish they can get into their mouth. 4.) What’s next? No, season, no size limit, no bag limit and you will have Snapper all up in the Bays, Rivers, etc. eating Speckle Trout, White Trout, shrimp and everything else. They are hungry and as the Mayor of Destin said at a NMFS meeting “The American Red Snapper is the Piranha of the Gulf of Mexico” * Please join us on Saturday at 10:00 AM in the Pass.
__________________
Fountain 38 Open with quad 300 opti's
233 Formula CC w/6.2 MPI Horizon
Great idea. I am heading to the La. Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries Commission today to voice my opinion.
most state agencies are funded by NOAA and will be forced to go along. Has anyone organized anything in MS yet? If not, would you guys like to meet somewhere, tie the boats together, and have a few beers?
No thank you then....the charter guys are in it just for them and want more of our TAC...the rec guy has already gotten the shaft ...the charter guys can go catch more becasue they are on the water alot more catch alot more fish...if the SOS passes the rec guy will only be able to go out and catch a few snapper all year while the commerical and the for-hire sector get to catch all the fish
Fisheye quick question, why does the guy who does not own a boat not have the same rights to the rec fishery as you do? Crew on for hire vessels cannot keep snapper and are subject to the same regs has the rest of the rec fishery.
Fisheye quick question, why does the guy who does not own a boat not have the same rights to the rec fishery as you do? Crew on for hire vessels cannot keep snapper and are subject to the same regs has the rest of the rec fishery.
They are more than welcome to it....but why should i have even more taken from me to give to the for-hire sector? Why should i be punished further???
Guys,
I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
The Charter guys are not considered "commerical" when considering the Quota's. The Charter guys are considered "recreational - for hire".
Like it or not, the charter captains and the individuals are on the same team. Additionally, Charter Caps are generally a wealth of knowledge and data.
I have been active in this fight for several years, but I remain frustrated becuase my fellow fishermen would prefer to sit around and gripe about the situation instead of doing something. There are roughly 3500 Charter Boats along the gulf coast and in FL. If every one of these guys pitched in $1000 to help fight the left wing environmental lobby, they would have a total of about $3.5MM to fight the lobby. On the other hand, there are almost 150,000 individual recreational fishermen in that same region (I cant find my data on this right now, so I dont have exact numbers, but these should be close). If each recreational fishermen pitched in $100 to help fight the cause, thats $15,000,000. $15MM is a damned sight better than $3-4MM. Yet everyone's bitching but the ones putting thier money where there mouth is are the Charter guys.
Fishermen, all of us, use untold amounts of time, energy, money, etc thinking about, discussing, reminiscing, boats, fishing, tackle, etc. Not to mention the amount of resources that are requried to acutally GO FISHING. That's what gives all of us our common bond. At least when it comes to boating, fishing, etc, we all invest lots of time, energy, and money in it. I am always disappointed when no one wants to stand-up and fight for it.
Maybe, when the Govt, gets finished taking fishing and boating away from us, we'll be able to invest all that energy and money into knitting, basket weaving, crochet, and the like. I dont know about you, but thats a day I am really looking forward to!
As far as the peaceful protest goes - let me know if someone wants to have random fella tag along. Kamori is still on the hill.
Guys,
I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
The Charter guys are not considered "commerical" when considering the Quota's. The Charter guys are considered "recreational - for hire".
Like it or not, the charter captains and the individuals are on the same team. Additionally, Charter Caps are generally a wealth of knowledge and data.
I have been active in this fight for several years, but I remain frustrated becuase my fellow fishermen would prefer to sit around and gripe about the situation instead of doing something. There are roughly 3500 Charter Boats along the gulf coast and in FL. If every one of these guys pitched in $1000 to help fight the left wing environmental lobby, they would have a total of about $3.5MM to fight the lobby. On the other hand, there are almost 150,000 individual recreational fishermen in that same region (I cant find my data on this right now, so I dont have exact numbers, but these should be close). If each recreational fishermen pitched in $100 to help fight the cause, thats $15,000,000. $15MM is a damned sight better than $3-4MM. Yet everyone's bitching but the ones putting thier money where there mouth is are the Charter guys.
Fishermen, all of us, use untold amounts of time, energy, money, etc thinking about, discussing, reminiscing, boats, fishing, tackle, etc. Not to mention the amount of resources that are requried to acutally GO FISHING. That's what gives all of us our common bond. At least when it comes to boating, fishing, etc, we all invest lots of time, energy, and money in it. I am always disappointed when no one wants to stand-up and fight for it.
Maybe, when the Govt, gets finished taking fishing and boating away from us, we'll be able to invest all that energy and money into knitting, basket weaving, crochet, and the like. I dont know about you, but thats a day I am really looking forward to!
As far as the peaceful protest goes - let me know if someone wants to have random fella tag along. Kamori is still on the hill.
David A. Purvis
(251) 656-2352
Not bitching about it....It all comes down to the SOS plan...where the commerical guys get an part Total Alloted Catch, then the for-hire and the rec guys get the rest....the for-hire guys are pushing for more or the TAC which would take away from the rec guys which means a less bag and shorter season...the charter guys are on the water alot more so they catch more of the TAC...if the SOS passes it will be pushing the rec guy further and further out of fishing
Yes the charters go towards the rec TAC. The bottom line is the commercial sector has mr crabtree and the gulf council in their pocket the sole purpose of these regs is to drive the rec sector out of the fishery and allow the commercial guys to rape it further. If i were you I would be thanking the charter operators they consistently show up and fight for our rights. the argument that the charter sector takes more fish than the private boats doesn't hold water. the data they use to compute how many fish have been taken in the rec sector are phone polls. who here has gotten a call?
Yes the charters go towards the rec TAC. The bottom line is the commercial sector has mr crabtree and the gulf council in their pocket the sole purpose of these regs is to drive the rec sector out of the fishery and allow the commercial guys to rape it further. If i were you I would be thanking the charter operators they consistently show up and fight for our rights. the argument that the charter sector takes more fish than the private boats doesn't hold water. the data they use to compute how many fish have been taken in the rec sector are phone polls. who here has gotten a call?
I have never once received a phone call and have only been polled at the pier 1 time
Yes the charters go towards the rec TAC. The bottom line is the commercial sector has mr crabtree and the gulf council in their pocket the sole purpose of these regs is to drive the rec sector out of the fishery and allow the commercial guys to rape it further. If i were you I would be thanking the charter operators they consistently show up and fight for our rights. the argument that the charter sector takes more fish than the private boats doesn't hold water. the data they use to compute how many fish have been taken in the rec sector are phone polls. who here has gotten a call?
on that note...how many times have you been stopped coming back in? i know for a fact alot of the charter boats around here run more than 2 days a week...and if they run lets say 4 days a week with 6 people thats 36 snapper that got caught in 4 days by 1 boat...ive never been stopped never been called...the numbers are flawed if basically done on estimates on the rec sector...they will never know exactly how many fish are caught on the rec side because there are people who catch over their limit, shorts that are thrown back and dont make it due to flipper or the rapid upbringing through the water column...so why take more from us and give it to the charter boat guys???
I would have been there but I'm 250 miles from Mexico Beach where I do most of my fishing. I wonder how the turnout was because they were calling for 5 ft seas yesterday
I was at the Louisiana Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries meeting on Thursday and after much testimony by a number of rec's and charter guys, the commission voted to reject the latest NMFS rules. This is the first time this has happened. The majority of the discussion was centered around the economics of loosing the fishery and how it is killing LA and other gulf states.
Also, there is a meeting of the Red Snapper Committe of the Gulf Council on Dec. 1-2 in Kenner. We need to have as many recreational fishermen there as possible. I will post exact time and location later.
Protest NMFS, no snapper season, here is what we are doing to get the media involved.
