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Old 10-30-2009, 11:14 AM
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Alright so here's MY deal...

Live in Bham and hit FL a lot as we have access to a place down there. I started thinking about getting a boat a while ago as I hope when my son gets older we can fish and just go out together. As of right now I've never owned a boat, didn't grow up around them, and what I know about them is all from reading. Sometime soon, I think I'm going to start looking at a W/A's as this seems to be a versatile boat that offers a LITTLE break from the elements...plus it doesn't have to be a budget buster.

I don't really have anyone to direct my questions to and google led me here a few weeks ago.

As these things aren't free, I'm just looking for some general advice/guidance because when and if I do make this purchase I want it to be an informed decision. Everyone I run my idea past just tells me that boats are expensive but if I get one call them because they would love to go out on it... I understand any jacka_s can get a boat license and I really don't want to be "that guy" so any general advice about how I should go about this whole process would be great.

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Old 10-30-2009, 11:36 AM
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Where in Florida? In the bay, gulf or both? How old is your son?
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:56 AM
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Seacrest Beach

I would probably start in the bay and work my way out once I got more comfortable with it all... He is only 9 months old so I've got some time to learn.
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Welcome. Boats are great ways to have a great time with family. There are a lot of opinions on WA for family. For me, if fishing is the prime activity for the boat, I don't like them. Unless it's a really big boat, with cabin becomes a storage area and it's too hot to get in there anyway. What I recommend for a first boat is to look around at a LOT of boats. Get on a LOT of boats. Look for what you think you want and be patient. I'd say buy a used outboard boat to start out. Then you can learn about boating and determine what you really want as your likes and dislikes will surface. Then you can look for what you really want and haven't spent a fortune doing it. Glld luck and let us know how it goes. Also take a boater safety class.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:00 PM
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There are many fine boating courses available from folks like Boat US, and especially the US Power Squadron. If you hit the Coast Guard site, you will find a nice listing.
Some states require you to have a certificate in your possession while operating a water craft (dependent on age). Learning the rules of the road are not only important for playing well with others, they can save your life. You may also opt for more navigational training.

It sounds like you want to hit some of the shallows for Reds and such. Plenty of good fishing on the Gulf! You need to determine where you want to fish, what conditions, duration. creature comforts, and price range.
Let us know and we can help.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:53 PM
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I had to look up Seacrest. Looks like you can trailer north and put in the Choctawhatchee Bay at Eden Gardens Park or the 331 bridge, go over to Phillips inlet or trailer to Destin or PC to get to the gulf. I am assuming the Phillips inlet "pass" is not maintained and you can't get out safely or reliably.

If the above is correct I would look at a bay type boat or a skiff with extra shade to start with. Get comfortable with it before moving up. You can also use it on Smith Lake or Logan Martin. It will be a lot easier to trailer and maintain (more play time while down). As a kid I spent days at Phillips Inlet crabbing and skiing. Choctawhatchee Bay would also be a great place to catch reds, specks, flounder.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/20...8-DLV-95743702
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:42 PM
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Buy used. You won't know what you want until you've had a few boats and there's no reason to take the big depreciation hit. As a bonus, alot of used boats have electronics and other goodies thrown in that will let you take a look and see what you like and don't like about them.

Don't plan on putting your boat in for the first time on Memorial day or some other busy day. Get it in the winter and practice your routine getting in and out of the water then.

The little cuddies are nice for kids. They can get out of the sun and play around down there and it will probably double the time you can spend on the water before they've absolutely had it.

Take them out young and often and don't let them get seasick. I took my third boy out when it was too rough a few times and now he doesn't want to go with me.

Blow the dough on safety gear and seatow. You and your wife will feel better and stuff happens.

Enjoy it, it's a ball.
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Old 10-30-2009, 06:32 PM
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I plan on buying used and I was looking for something like the SailFish 218 WA... I think that's a sharp boat.
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:42 AM
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I totally agree with Beenie. With a W/A you wouldn't believe how you won't use the cabin space for anything but storage. Starting out, you might even want to look at a walk thru, just because the balance is so good on them. It's a good family boat and once you feel comfotable, you'll know more about where you want to go and what you want to do, and you'll be able to make a better decision, on your likes and dislikes.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:35 AM
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after owning a WA, i can testify that the cuddy WILL be only used for storing useless items and you or anyone else WILL NOT use the cuddy because hell is cooler. I agree with buying a used boat first, a 21-24 ft center console with forward seating for the family would be my choice.
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A few tips:

In the Gulf Coast climate, cuddies are good for almost nothing but junk storage. Get a T-top or a bimini top. Some people still like them though, but I wouldn't recommend one for a first time owner.

Boats are like T-shirts. They shrink when you get them wet. Thing is HUGE sitting in your driveway, but when you get it in the water it's about half that size!

Whether buying new or used, pay a LOT of attention to the trailer. Most dealers get the price down by putting crappy, under-rated trailers under the boats they sell. Buy a boat with an under-rated trailer and you will regret it.... I promise. Especially on long tows like it appears you plan on doing at least some of.

Boats are a maintenance nightmare. If you aren't handy with tools etc, find a fishing buddy who is. Be prepared to spend lots of time cleaning and fixing little things. You'll be amazed at how much crap can break while it's just sitting in your driveway. i.e. My boat sat for about 30 days since last trip. (bad year). Took it out knowing that everything was working great. Baitwell pump went out in the middle of the trip, florescent light under T-top went out, the all around nav light bulb burned out, and the freshwater pump is now toast. All that stuff was working just fine on the last trip! Top that off with one of the trailer tires suffering a seperated tread. None of this stuff is serious and it doesn't take a genius to fix any of it, but it can be a royal PITA sometimes. It can also nickel and dime you to death!

My suggestion for a first time boat buyer in the south who wants to fish saltwater would be a 18-21' bayboat. Excellent all around boat that will fish the coast well, allow you to venture a few miles offshore in good weather and even work well for skiing and just plain old boat riding. Every boat design out there is a compromise. You always give up one feature or ability for another. Bay boats are the ultimate compromise boat. IMO, they don't do any one thing extrodinarily well, but they do many things plenty well enough. A T-top might be pushing it on a 21' bayboat, but a bimini that you can fold out of the way when you need to will work great. A personal opinion of mine. Seats in the bow of a boat are friggin useless unless you have your own private lake. Take it to a river with other boats and no one will want to sit up there due to other boat wakes. Same in a lake. On the coast, in bays etc, the bow is the last place you will want to sit unless it is a dead calm day and there's nobody else on the water. Worse yet, if you are fishing, those seats are ALWAYS in the way.

Become a weather expert. Boating is great fun and I wouldn't trade it for any other hobby out there, but a fishing trip to the coast in bad weather is NOT my idea of fun...and your son and wife won't appreciate it either. Doing a fishing trip is an incredible amount of work and expense. Make each one count. Bad weather includes sunny days that are too windy (on the Gulf Coast). If the wind forecast for the coast is more than 10 knots, I'll stay home and knock out some Honey-do's.

Boat shows! Excellent way to check out all kinds and brands of boats w/o driving all over creation. Even if you aren't buying new, just looking at and crawling around in the boats is very educational. You can also "shop" in realative peace as the salesmen at boatshows are usually overwhelmed by the sheer number of people and won't attack you as soon as you walk up...usually.
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Buy used. As a first timer, you probably won't keep the boat very long before you will want to move up or sideways. Taking the resale hit from a new boat is gonna hurt. Determine the type and brand(s) of boats you are interested in and start watching the classified adds. News paper and especially sites like this one and boattrader. Educate yourself on going prices for what you want. If you don't have a clue what they are selling for, how do you know if it's a deal or a steal? Start looking now. Even if you don't plan on buying for a couple of years. Go kick some tires too. This will help give you an idea of the what boats have been well maintained and which ones are just a disaster looking for new victim.

Before buying, I would have any prospects looked over by a mechanic at a minimum.

Ask questions here and other forums. There are no dumb questions.

Good luck.
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Back-In-Black, that was an outstanding post.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:56 PM
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Start anywhere. Your first boat will not be your last if you enjoy it. It took me 3 boats to find what I wanted. The first 2 used the third new. The learning and the fun will last a lifetime.
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