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Old 06-18-2017, 07:39 AM   #1
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Default Teen electrocuted at Put-In Bay

Sad story yesterday at Miller's:

http://fox8.com/2017/06/17/19-year-o...in-bay-marina/
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Old 06-18-2017, 07:40 AM   #2
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One of the articles mentioned a floating elec current alarm. I didn't know that existed, but i want one. The amount of people in the water at the bay has always made me nervous about this.
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One of the articles mentioned a floating elec current alarm. I didn't know that existed, but i want one. The amount of people in the water at the bay has always made me nervous about this.
Google it. There are products available. They should probably be required in all freshwater marinas. Scary stuff. Makes me glad I'm in salt water for once.
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Salt water's conductivity is much higher than fresh water.
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I found one for $150. Seems reasonable. It's not just about a bad decision to swim in a marina, which people do at PIB all the time. None of us are immune to falling in.
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Looks like the boats shore power line dangled in the water and must have had a crack in it at the area of submersion..
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They most likely find that the shore power wiring in the boat is wrong, the hot wire and the common wire got miss wired. If you get into the water very close a boat that is wired wrong that when things like this can happen. Somehow you have to touch or be very close to a hot wire source, the boat in this case.
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Hence the reason for the new NEC code requiring GFCI on all supplies at marinas
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Don't count on a GFCI to help, you can count on them to trip when unnecessary.
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Salt water's conductivity is much higher than fresh water.
meaning that fresh water is more deadlier.

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=77828
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Looks like the boats shore power line dangled in the water and must have had a crack in it at the area of submersion..
Wonder if it was a true shore power cord/ I've seen people use a 15 amp cord. Regardless I'd never, ever, swim in marinas - too much potential for problems - electricity and waste water!
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With the increase in popularity of paddleboards, I'm seeing more people in the water at PIB than ever.
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I remember swimming off the boats at PiB all the time when I was real young; we used to dive down and look for people's lost stuff. Got very lucky, no doubt about it.
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Don't count on a GFCI to help, you can count on them to trip when unnecessary.
Don't count on brakes to work in your car when you want to stop, when they fail. Or your boat to go in neutral when you need to not ram the dock when the shift cable breaks.

What is your point? If GFCI are working properly and tested regularly to ensure they are working, then there is a reasonable expectation that they will make the electrical much safer than one without it.
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Hence the reason for the new NEC code requiring GFCI on all supplies at marinas
The trip point is set to 100ma, which is still enough to kill you.
Better than nothing.
A GFCI individual circuit is set to 5ma.

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555.3 Ground-Fault Protection. The overcurrent protective
device for the main marina feeder conductors must have ground-fault
protection not exceeding 100 mA. If ground-fault protection is provided
for each individual marina branch or feeder circuit, ground-fault
protection isn’t required for the main marina feeder conductors.
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According to the latest news article the outlets were tested by the police and passed inspection. If that's the case - it's back to the cord as an issue.
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Salt water's conductivity is much higher than fresh water.
Which is why fresh water is much more dangerous. The human body fluids are loaded with sodium which makes it much more conductive than fresh water.
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The trip point is set to 100ma, which is still enough to kill you.
Better than nothing.
A GFCI individual circuit is set to 5ma..
New code is lower:

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555.3 - Overcurrent protective devices that supply marinas, boatyards, and commercial and non-commercial docking facilities that have ground fault protection not exceeding 30 mA.
http://www.plantengineering.com/sing...412f1705e.html
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The electric doesn't kill you directly. Your body operates on very, very small current. It takes a very, very small current in the water to stop you body from normal ability, you drown in the end because you can't swim or breath right.

In checking with some of the guys in the marina that the boat is docked at, they thought that boat got struck by lighting a few years ago. So that is the possible the cause and problem.
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Google it. There are products available. They should probably be required in all freshwater marinas. Scary stuff. Makes me glad I'm in salt water for once.
My friends ordered one right away and already have it on the boat. It will get its first test this wkd.
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