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Old 09-10-2016, 07:01 AM   #1
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My husband and I are looking to upgrade to a bigger boat for destination cruising on the Great Lakes.


We currently have a 2005 28' Advantage w/single 496.

We took a trip from Port Austin to Mackinac Island and realized we need a bigger boat for these types of trips we want to take.

Any suggestions?
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My wife and I grew up boating, and we had a hard time deciding, there are so many choices. We enjoyed looking online, emailing possibilities back and forth, walking through marinas, getting invited aboard so many boats to check them out. Our boat will be slipped just a mile from our house, we want to spend time hanging out on it at the dock as well as putting around our little part of Lake Michigan. We decided to get an aft-cabin with a flybridge, so we could sit in the salon and enjoy being on the water even when the weather or bugs or whatever weren't great. It is a lot more boat than we thought we wanted, nothing like what we started out looking for, but after months of searching we found a deal that was too good to pass up. So far, we are crazy happy with our choice.

We really enjoyed looking and learning, do a lot of that and have fun with it.

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Old 09-16-2016, 06:21 PM   #3
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What is your budget and what are your 'must have's'?

My 1st 'must have' would be twin inboards. My 2nd would be a genny.
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Old 09-19-2016, 01:35 AM   #4
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What is your budget and what are your 'must have's'?

My 1st 'must have' would be twin inboards. My 2nd would be a genny.

Budget is around 100k. We want something year 2000 or newer. Definitely 2 engine and a generator. We looked at a Carver this weekend and we loved it. Which is better a fly bridge or just a cruiser?
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Old 09-19-2016, 03:09 AM   #5
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"Which is better a fly bridge or just a cruiser?"

I don't know if one is better than the other. I think that would be a personal preference. From my side, I would have to take in consideration my heath if choosing a fly bridge.

At this point I cannot take the steps like I could not too many months back (had knee surgery recently). I know this sounds silly perhaps but if your pushing along in age it should be something to take into consideration.

I would think cost would come into play too. You'd need double the radios, GPS, etc. with a fly bridge if you had a helm station below. A cruiser type boat may be easier to clean.

On the other hand, a fly bridge would give you much better visibility, especially when docking.
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:16 AM   #6
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If you are thinking about a smaller fly bridge, I'd suggest paying for a ride in one of the size you are looking at.

Smaller ones can get a lot of movement up there vs piloting the same size express.
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Old 09-19-2016, 05:39 AM   #7
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If you are looking at Carver, check out Cruisers Yachts 3750 and 375. I just bought my '04 375 within your budget, very low hours, love it. Carvers are nice, I just couldn't get past the appearance. Cruisers seem more boat and less camper, higher quality, more sporty, but just my impression.


Labor Day weekend I bought this boat in Georgian Bay and drove it around 600 miles around the top of Michigan. We spent whole days on a slow plane in 3-5 foot waves and sometimes higher, not comfy but not dangerous. My wife and son set up the flybridge sunpad and snoozed through a lot of it.
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Get a catamaran and those 3-5 footers will hardly be noticed.
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:47 AM   #9
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I really like the catamaran idea, but very rarely see any here on the Great Lakes and have no experience with them. I've been impressed riding on big catamaran ferries, but they have huge clearance from water to tunnel. How big would a cat have to be to handle 5-footers without slapping the tunnel? Our short and tall freshwater waves might be less friendly to cats...? Some of the channels I've stopped at for fuel barely have room for two-way traffic, I wonder what happens when a big cat tries to go through them on a busy day?
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Individual requirements are key: I wanted speed to get to the next port on flat days. Seating for 10 under cover and the ability to cross Lake Mich without worrying too much about the forecast. Also, generator, AC, and vacu-flush head. That resulted in a Formula 370SS. I could have been in a diesel Tiara, but the budget wasn't there.
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Speed is definitely a huge advantage. You can always go slow and save fuel, but being able to hop up on a plane and get to a port before weather gets bad is a great thing. I thought about trawlers for bad weather days, but I'm not intentionally going out in bad weather, and a trawler is just going to spend more time in it. I can cruise at 27mph, top out at 35, and plow through heavy waves at around 18. That will get me to a harbor pretty quickly on the Great Lakes.


Size is of course always better. On my journey home we plowed past some smaller go-fast boats that were built for waves, but just getting beat up trying to hold speed. My boat is obviously not built for speed or big waves, but the deep V-hull and big engines allowed me to just plow through without slapping for many hours at a time.
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:01 PM   #12
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...On the other hand, a fly bridge would give you much better visibility, especially when docking. ...
Fly bridge or bubble top also suffers from greater windage than a boat without. Might make the trade off of greater visibility not worth it. It will depend on the boat. Twins and/or a bow thruster will help.
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:32 AM   #13
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If you are looking at Carver, check out Cruisers Yachts 3750 and 375. I just bought my '04 375 within your budget, very low hours, love it. Carvers are nice, I just couldn't get past the appearance. Cruisers seem more boat and less camper, higher quality, more sporty, but just my impression.


Labor Day weekend I bought this boat in Georgian Bay and drove it around 600 miles around the top of Michigan. We spent whole days on a slow plane in 3-5 foot waves and sometimes higher, not comfy but not dangerous. My wife and son set up the flybridge sunpad and snoozed through a lot of it.

Thank you for the info. Thst is actually what we need. I plan to take a week trip to Georgian Bay as well.
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What is your budget and what are your 'must have's'?

My 1st 'must have' would be twin inboards. My 2nd would be a genny.
Twins is a must. Gunny as well. I want the comforts of home with updated electronics. I plan to spend at least 100k. The budget can increase for the right boat. I want to live on it in the summer and be able to take on crossing lake Michigan as well.

This is our 1st year boating and I'm am in love. Just hate being slapped around by the lake. My anxiety goes into over drive. Lol
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My wife and I grew up boating, and we had a hard time deciding, there are so many choices. We enjoyed looking online, emailing possibilities back and forth, walking through marinas, getting invited aboard so many boats to check them out. Our boat will be slipped just a mile from our house, we want to spend time hanging out on it at the dock as well as putting around our little part of Lake Michigan. We decided to get an aft-cabin with a flybridge, so we could sit in the salon and enjoy being on the water even when the weather or bugs or whatever weren't great. It is a lot more boat than we thought we wanted, nothing like what we started out looking for, but after months of searching we found a deal that was too good to pass up. So far, we are crazy happy with our choice.

We really enjoyed looking and learning, do a lot of that and have fun with it.
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Old 09-26-2016, 01:39 PM   #16
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Are you looking at fast (22+ knots) or slow (<15 knots).

I grew up on the Lakes and many summers in Georgian Bay. All great memories, but most comfortable on a slow Grand Banks Diesel. You can get a LOT of boat for your budget. If you don't need to get there fast and want MAXIMUM comfort (beam, quarters, storage) look at Albin, GB, and others. Handle any seas, wind; and you can include a modest dinghy for great fun among the islands.
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Take a look at late 90's Tiara's, awesome boats, ride is great, and they are appointed very nicely. Engines are more forward than most which makes for a very stable ride. With your budget you should be able to find one.
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If you are looking at Carver, check out Cruisers Yachts 3750 and 375. I just bought my '04 375 within your budget, very low hours, love it. Carvers are nice, I just couldn't get past the appearance. Cruisers seem more boat and less camper, higher quality, more sporty, but just my impression.


Labor Day weekend I bought this boat in Georgian Bay and drove it around 600 miles around the top of Michigan. We spent whole days on a slow plane in 3-5 foot waves and sometimes higher, not comfy but not dangerous. My wife and son set up the flybridge sunpad and snoozed through a lot of it.

Love the boat!!! Thanks for sharing.
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After looking for 2 years, here are some things I had to consider in my search. Don't read this as opinions, they're just issues I personally had to work through.

For instance, I'm about 6'3", older Tiaras only have about about 6' of headroom in the cabin. I'm not bashing them, they are on my list of "one day" boats. A stat like that could help rule out boats.

Same goes with room at the helm. I've found that some boats with aft cabins give you less headroom at the helm. Some boats I've been in I wasn't able to stand up at the helm, which isn't a huge deal until you are maneuvering around a marina. Sure wouldn't want to be crouched over 20 minutes driving up a channel to a dock.

Dockage is another issue, seems to be easy to find 30ft docks wherever you want, 30+ sometimes requires a wait list at the marinas. Or you end up having to pay for a 40ft dock to store a 33 with a huge swim platform. This also applies to when your trying to get a guest dock at popular places.

Is there a mechanic who can fix your engines at the marina or nearby. Might be harder and more expensive with diesels in the great lakes area. Always consider fuel economy if you care. If your engine goes, and it's too big to trailer, then what?

Who will be with you? Are you comfortable driving a bridge boat into a dock by yourself or will someone always be with you? Are there little kids going to going up and down fly bridge? Or what happens if you fall from the bridge with a boat full of kids or people who can't take command of it? Maybe you should look for a boat with a bow and/or stern thruster.

In summary, go on a lot of boats, make notes of what you like, dislike, and things you can't live with/without. Find one that fits most of your needs and can fit into your environment and lifestyle. It's not too hard to research and figure out if a manufacturer/model is junk or not. The hard part is to figure out what you want, then find a good one.
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Interesting comment about height. I have well over 6' headroom inside my boat and on my bridge, that was actually mentioned in the literature about this boat. A friend of mine worked at Broward Yacht years ago, he jokes about the owner of Broward coming out during build and walking through with his thumb touching the top of his head, and anywhere his pinky could touch needed to be modified. And he was a tall man, so he wanted a lot of headroom on every Broward. Apparently head room is an important design parameter on bigger boats, it does feel more comfortable.


I agree on the servicing for diesels, there are some interesting articles about real costs of owning diesels that swayed me to look for gas engines.
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