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Old 05-28-2013, 10:20 AM
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Default Cigarette boat capsized near Kellys last weekend

It appears a Cigarette boat capsized over the weekend after leaving Kellys Island. There's a good video of the recovery on the newspaper link as well as YouTube. It appears there were 4 on board; all luckily escaped any serious injury?

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/3794046?page=1
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Dang that's pretty slick how they pulled it up to dewater it. I was out and It was rough but I don't think it was rough enough to roll a boat of that size over. I owned and ran a Scarab Sport on Lake Erie for about 10 years and I stuffed the bow in it twice running into a following sea. Once it launched me onto the floor in front of the console, it happened so fast I don't even know how I got there. The 2nd time the boat hooked to starboard and rolled over far enough that the gunnel actually went under water for a few seconds filling the cockpit with a bunch of water. I don't know how I even stayed in the boat.

My guess is they stuffed the bow, the boat hooked and rolled over. Especially if they were running with the tabs down. If I would have had the tabs down when the bow stuffed I am pretty sure the boat would have rolled over. If the ODNR releases a report we will see if that's what actually happened.

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When you are a dumb ass you're a dumb ass. They could not handle the boat.
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There has been huge discussions on several powerboating sites about this. The last I read a mechanical failure caused the rollover and was witnessed at 40-45 mph (one drive is not where it should be)...........Apparently the first responder was also posting on the thread on OSO.
BTW: No alcohol was involved and only minor injuries.





However, if it makes you feel like a better captain you can simply go with JimPend's insightful opinion.
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There has been huge discussions on several powerboating sites about this. The last I read a mechanical failure caused the rollover and was witnessed at 40-45 mph (one drive is not where it should be)...........Apparently the first responder was also posting on the thread.





However, if it makes you feel like a better captain you can simply go with JimPend's insightful opinion.
Oh no...I'll take the high road on that one. Sounded like it came straight from the forum section of our newspaper; always full of well-founded, non-stereotyping, educated comments.

I noticed the drives in the picture and thought something looked odd. I had kind of been hoping that was the case, and it won't end up being that scenario that I'm sure a lot of people want to think. I think it was great that everyone made it out safe and there was a Good Samaritan to help.
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I wonder how many gold necklaces, speedos, packs of trojans and bottles of booze also sank with that boat.
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I wonder how many gold necklaces, speedos, packs of trojans and bottles of booze also sank with that boat.
How many vessel name emblazoned towels, jackets, and visors would sink if your Tiara sank? Lets not forget the gold knob shifters.
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That was a great vid of the recovery. Those guys are good! And who knew that TowBoat US (or SeaTow) had a Fountain in their fleet?!?! Schweet!

Stereotypes for the go-fast and Tiara crowd are funny.....and unfortunate, but oftentimes are formed via some framework of truth.
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That was a great vid of the recovery. Those guys are good! And who knew that TowBoat US (or SeaTow) had a Fountain in their fleet?!?! Schweet!

Stereotypes for the go-fast and Tiara crowd are funny.....and unfortunate, but oftentimes are formed via some framework of truth.
Yeah I think that Fountain is out of the Sandusky / Pt.Clinton area; I've seen it around before on busy days or when there's a lot of people near the sand bar. My dad had a boat nearly sink (I forget the circumstances) once, and said they recovered his in a very similar way. Undid the garboard plug, sent a diver in with an airbag to right the hull, got it on top of the water somewhat under tow, and got someone in it with a ditch pump to get the 'remaining' water out. Pretty cool...

And I agree with your comment about stereotypes. Most of the time it's just another guy with diarrhea of the mouth.
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I just talked to a friend that saw it happen from Portside on Kelleys. He said that the boat owner / driver and crew / friends were sitting at a table next to his before they departed. He indicated that alcohol was not being abused and that they were doing the standard Casino / Portside go-fast "fly-by" on departure.

They left heading east and then came back westbound but not at a really high rate of speed, ~45mph, hit wake of jet express, got out of throttles, then back on throttles, and flipped immediately after re-introduction of power.

He also said that from his memory that no one was wearing a life jacket. Glad all are OK / safe.

Reminds me of the onboard vid from lake of the ozarks. YIKES!
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I just talked to a friend that saw it happen from Portside on Kelleys. He said that the boat owner / driver and crew / friends were sitting at a table next to his before they departed. He indicated that alcohol was not being abused and that they were doing the standard Casino / Portside go-fast "fly-by" on departure.

They left heading east and then came back westbound but not at a really high rate of speed, ~45mph, hit wake of jet express, got out of throttles, then back on throttles, and flipped immediately after re-introduction of power.

He also said that from his memory that no one was wearing a life jacket. Glad all are OK / safe.

Reminds me of the onboard vid from lake of the ozarks. YIKES!
Seems to support what I heard. Not drinking, traveling at cruise speed (boat will run 85-90) and if he launched off a wave that is by far the most common thing that breaks drive components.
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How many vessel name emblazoned towels, jackets, and visors would sink if your Tiara sank? Lets not forget the gold knob shifters.


Sorry but no vessel name towels, jackets or visors. I think those are reserved for Sea Ray owners.

Yes, the boat has gold colored knobs on the the throttle/shift controls. I only wish they were real gold.
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45mph, hit wake of jet express, got out of throttles, then back on throttles, and flipped immediately after re-introduction of power.

As I guess, when they hit the throttle it drove the bow down and stuffed the bow into the next wake wave. Anyone agree?

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I talked to a friend of mine this evening that works for the towing company. He actually towed the boat in. He told me that it appeared on of the tie-bars had broke. Too much speculation ....We may never really know what happened.
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I talked to a friend of mine this evening that works for the towing company. He actually towed the boat in. He told me that it appeared on of the tie-bars had broke. Too much speculation ....We may never really know what happened.
Yeah but as you indicate, no one will ever know if it broke prior or as a result of the accident sequence.

My speculation / bet would be that it broke as a result of the accident. Lots of tie bars and outdrives in service out there. How many failures as a result of hitting a wave have been documented to have caused an accident of this magnitude?

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As I guess, when they hit the throttle it drove the bow down and stuffed the bow into the next wake wave. Anyone agree?

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I owned a similar boat.....and helped repair a few that broke drives/transome assemblies (I even kept 2 spare XR drives and usually had to install one each summer).

These engines make LOTS of torque. When the props exit the water, then re-enter, the torque applied to the water can break the upper gears (I did that twice) and in some cases actually break the entire gimbal ring loose from the transom assembly. The only thing that could break that tie-bar between the drives is a drive snapping and twisting from the transom assembly. Either by the boat re-entering the water sideways or the gears twisting causing a drive to break at the transom assembly...(those bars are incredibly strong!!!)
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Sitting at the Casino, not drinking?? Ooooo Kkkkkkk......
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