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Old 01-10-2017, 06:27 PM   #1
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I'm aware of a new Florida law that prohibits random vessel boarding for so called safety inspections, in effect last summer. However, I'm having trouble finding the details. Other states have got similar laws recently.

To get this status, one has to have their boat inspected and get a sticker, and then any LEO or agency cannot board for random inspections, the UXCG excepted.

Can anyone site the law?

I called the Coast Guard and they had not clue. The Coast Guard Aux does inspections, but I've seen info that it's not the proper inspection.

Need info, anyone up to speed on this law?
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A few years ago they past the same law here in Michigan. The Leo's on the lakes and rivers we're getting out of hand using the money that was allocated for homeland security and taking it out pleasure boatersand fisherman for revenue. Now if you have a Coast Guard safety inspection sticker or one equivalent they need reasonable cause to make a stop. I have been run up on by them in the past couple of years and I just point at my current safety sticker and they waive and move along. I believe it is a good law.
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All,

I'm aware of a new Florida law that prohibits random vessel boarding for so called safety inspections, in effect last summer. However, I'm having trouble finding the details. Other states have got similar laws recently.

To get this status, one has to have their boat inspected and get a sticker, and then any LEO or agency cannot board for random inspections, the UXCG excepted.

Can anyone site the law?

I called the Coast Guard and they had not clue. The Coast Guard Aux does inspections, but I've seen info that it's not the proper inspection.

Need info, anyone up to speed on this law?
Details can be found here:

http://www.waterwayguide.com/latest-news/news/6022/probable-cause-florida-bill-continues-through-legislature
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:16 PM   #5
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:30 PM   #6
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That law was passed in FL last year. It prohibits any LEO, except the Coast Guard or Marine Fiseries to stop you and board without sufficient cause.
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Coast guard is the worst here...training
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I wouldn't be so concerned about this law. If an LEO decides to hail/board you just be civil and there is no problem. They can be as mean and nasty as the situation dictates, and will always have a reason for inspection.
Example if you have, fishing rods or spearguns visible, that is probable cause. Here in the Keys I see FWC, Monroe County Sheriff, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Homeland Security, DEA on the water almost daily. For the most part they are all very nice
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I was boarded by CG outside of Hillsboro inlet last week. They could not have been nicer. Of course I had everything in order and showed them respect and that helps.
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The new law is silly. If they want to stop you they will find some sort of PC.

The display of anything that could contribute to any sort of fishery harvest is all the PC they need to do a fishery inspection. Once they stop you for that they can then they can do a safety inspection. The new law exempts the USCG. Other agencies simply can't stop you and say it's for a safety check if you have the sticker. They just have to state another reason for the stop.

Pretty much just more meaningless legislation.
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The new law is silly. If they want to stop you they will find some sort of PC.

The display of anything that could contribute to any sort of fishery harvest is all the PC they need to do a fishery inspection. Once they stop you for that they can then they can do a safety inspection. The new law exempts the USCG. Other agencies simply can't stop you and say it's for a safety check if you have the sticker. They just have to state another reason for the stop.

Pretty much just more meaningless legislation.

Agreed.


My son and I were boarded by FWC this fall after the law was passed. They stopped us because the spacing on my registration numbers were too close . I've had those numbers on my boat for over 5 years without any comments from CG/WFC/Sheriff Department.
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They can board me as many times as they like. I comply, and my boats are always well equipped and I know we are not doing anything wrong, so I will never complain. The USCG was there many years ago when we were in trouble and did an outstanding job in very difficult sea conditions. Are there bad cops or bad coasties, you bet, but by and large these guys are there for the right reasons, and it kills me when I hear people put them down or complain. Call your aunt or BLM crowd next time you need help if you think they are assholes.....
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Good responses.

For you guys that have no problems with boarding at will, without reason, you're probably fairly inexperienced and haven't seen freedom. It has NOTHING to do with "I don't have anything to hide".

Our forefathers left England and fought for our freedoms so we would have unreasonable government intrusion. Unfortunately, our constitution has not been obeyed by government, but hopefully we can take it back. This new law is one step.

Since 911 and homeland security, we have let our government get WAY more powers than is reasonable. As for boaters, no matter what government agency boats your boat without cause, it's still against the constitution.

No one has an issue with a LEO or Coasty doing their job, which is protecting the rights of citizens and protecting our boarder. Doing a random safety search is not part of that job no matter what someone tells you.

So, our next step will be to get the Coast Guard back to their job and prohibit random safety searches.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate law enforcement or the Coast Guard. They have always been friendly when boarding, but I never give permission, and most understand. But, there's MANY wanna be Barney Fifes that just got their gun and their only goal is to make boater miserable, without cause and we need to stand up against that. Being stopped several times on one trip is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Question for those in the know......

Regarding inspections, I've been told by the Coast Guard that while they can board, they cannot search any personal items or space... back packs, suit cases, cabinet and storage area, or anything on the vessel that opens. Does anyone know where this is written?

And another question regarding the inspection sticker, can one from the Coast Guard Aux work? If not, what inspection do we need.
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Good responses.

For you guys that have no problems with boarding at will, without reason, you're probably fairly inexperienced and haven't seen freedom. It has NOTHING to do with "I don't have anything to hide".

Our forefathers left England and fought for our freedoms so we would have unreasonable government intrusion. Unfortunately, our constitution has not been obeyed by government, but hopefully we can take it back. This new law is one step.

Since 911 and homeland security, we have let our government get WAY more powers than is reasonable. As for boaters, no matter what government agency boats your boat without cause, it's still against the constitution.

No one has an issue with a LEO or Coasty doing their job, which is protecting the rights of citizens and protecting our boarder. Doing a random safety search is not part of that job no matter what someone tells you.

So, our next step will be to get the Coast Guard back to their job and prohibit random safety searches.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate law enforcement or the Coast Guard. They have always been friendly when boarding, but I never give permission, and most understand. But, there's MANY wanna be Barney Fifes that just got their gun and their only goal is to make boater miserable, without cause and we need to stand up against that. Being stopped several times on one trip is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Question for those in the know......

Regarding inspections, I've been told by the Coast Guard that while they can board, they cannot search any personal items or space... back packs, suit cases, cabinet and storage area, or anything on the vessel that opens. Does anyone know where this is written?

And another question regarding the inspection sticker, can one from the Coast Guard Aux work? If not, what inspection do we need.
They can enter your living area to check for compliance of the sanitation system if that is where the access is located. They can an will find a reason or PC if your a dick to them. They can also inspect any hatch if you are engaged of fishing activities that possibly could conceal illegal fish. All the PC they need and if they find something you can have your day in court. It's not gonna work out for ya.

All this splitting hairs and BS about this is no more than BS. I have thousands of hours on the water and I have been stopped many times. I think the ones that are having a issue would have an issue no matter what.

Be in compliance and don't worry about it. If your getting stopped with any frequency I would think your the problem with your actions or behavior.

I wish they had ten times the assets that they do. Your chances of being stopped are pretty slim and most of the wrong doing folks know that.
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They can enter your living area to check for compliance of the sanitation system if that is where the access is located. They can an will find a reason or PC if your a dick to them. They can also inspect any hatch if you are engaged of fishing activities that possibly could conceal illegal fish. All the PC they need and if they find something you can have your day in court. It's not gonna work out for ya.

All this splitting hairs and BS about this is no more than BS. I have thousands of hours on the water and I have been stopped many times. I think the ones that are having a issue would have an issue no matter what.

Be in compliance and don't worry about it. If your getting stopped with any frequency I would think your the problem with your actions or behavior.

I wish they had ten times the assets that they do. Your chances of being stopped are pretty slim and most of the wrong doing folks know that.
20biminitwist:

You make some good points, but a few things.

FIRST, I could argue to NEVER be rude or a PITA to ANY law enforcement officer of any kind.... absolutely no upside.

But, there ARE some LEOs that have a mission to be AHs, and are out to show their badge and how superior they are.... If you haven't seen them, you're not looking. And, it's become rampant in the last 15 or 20 years.

We need to re-establish our rights that folks before us fought for and gave their lives for. If you look at history, countries go through different segments... often from freedom and democracy to socialism, more control to dictatorship and the fall of the country. We are VERY CLOSE to the end, if you really study this stuff.

FWIW, I've NEVER been stopped in MY boat, but have been on other boats that get stopped all the time. They seem to pick on the wave runners and big boats. I'm in the middle. And I'm on the water 5 or 6 days a week.... certainly not an occasional user. The last 9 days I was on the water all of them, and just got back in an hour ago from today's trip.

And, NO, I don't wish they had 10x the assets... who the heck do you think is paying for that????? Give government the money they need for the job they were hired to do.... and that job is to PROTECT the American people. Certainly not what it's been for the past several years. Boating is only a small part, but we still need our freedoms back and reasonableness.

Yes, they can open a hatch to check your sanitation, fuel, carbs, leaks, etc. They always ask, and personally I would not turn them down. And it's always the Coast Guard, who are a HUGE step above the local LEOs.

The law is the law and we must be compliant, but no reason why we can't fight for freedoms and the constitution the way it was intended.
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Here in the Keys I see FWC, Monroe County Sheriff, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Homeland Security, DEA on the water almost daily. For the most part they are all very nice
is that all?
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You make some good points, but a few things.


FWIW, I've NEVER been stopped in MY boat, but have been on other boats that get stopped all the time. They seem to pick on the wave runners and big boats. I'm in the middle. And I'm on the water 5 or 6 days a week.... certainly not an occasional user. The last 9 days I was on the water all of them, and just got back in an hour ago from today's trip.

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No clue as to what you do that puts you on the water so much. Good for you. The wave runners and other boats as to what you speak must do something to get so much attention.

Yet, you claim you have never been stopped on your own boat. What is it that gets you wound off about about being stopped if you say you have never been stopped on your own boat. I'M CONFUSED.

Your not making good sense to me. You must be on the water 14 days a week and only get stopped half the time and only on other peoples boat.

Stay on your boat if being stopped is an issue. Sounds as if you have it dialed in.
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When being boarded by the CC, always ask for a boarding receipt if they don't give one to you. I have been boarded many times and keep all my paperwork in order so there is no looking for them. After you get that receipt put it in your carry file and when hailed make them aware of your last boarding. Most times they will wave off the boarding if you were boarded once during the year already.

They are doing their jobs and it just happened that they crossed your path. One day they may be pulling you and others out of the ditch so be respectful
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I left Florida in the early 80's because I was tired of the BS. I'd get boarded or stopped 2 or 3 times every trip by different agencies. It took the fun out of fishing. It was a police state back then.

Its probably worse now with the seizure laws.
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