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Old 01-10-2017, 10:16 AM   #1
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Default A boat I can pole around yet take some seas

Howdy, I am a newby and I have read a lot of posts on this topic yet I cannot gather all the info I need yet. I'm from the northern Great Lakes and there is a very small movement starting involving fly fishing for carp and smallmouth.

I need a boat that I can run distances in, as access points are limited and running 10-20 miles is a possibility at times... I don't go out in real rough stuff but it can get nasty out here fast ( wouldn't want to be in a 16 ft flats boat) I'm in the market for a fiberglass or aluminum 18 ft or so center console that can take some seas yet still be able to pole along the shores seeking feeding Carp.

I have been wondering about something like the polar Kraft v hull 18 cc. If this boat would be something I could put a platform on and pole along or would you look at that and say "good luck kid". I need some advice from you folks as I am a fairly new fly fisherman, limited to no experience to this style of boating/fishing, and up here you can get advice for walleye or salmon boats but that's about it. Sorry for the long windedness.. I'm sure you'll need more info and if so just ask and I'll try to further explain conditions.
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:30 AM   #2
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What kind of money are you looking to spend?
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:39 AM   #3
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What kind of money are you looking to spend?
Probably in the 20- 30k range and I'm not opposed to buying used.
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Old 01-10-2017, 11:47 AM   #4
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Down where we live we pole alot on the flats for redfish. Sometimes in 6" of water. Flats boats have low sides so the wind dont blow you around while you pole. They are also designed to be stealthy even when there is a chop slapping the hull.
You could get a hewes or maverick in 18' that might do what you want.
There are technical polling skiffs and flats boats and then there are bay boats that people think are flats boats but there not. Then you go over to Texas and there flats boats are completely different.
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:42 PM   #5
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I gotcha, so basically the longer/higher the boat the harder it is to fight the elements when poling. Which I guess should be pretty obvious to me. So I probably wouldn't want to be over 18ft and I'll have to find a compromise on the depth of the boat where it won't become a sail in a 10+ mph wind?
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I had a 19' key west that would float in 12" of water. I couldn't pole it but I could set up drift if the wind was right. See, down here we have to worry about destroying our sea grass which is crucial for our fishery. Do you guys have to worry that up there?
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I had a 19' key west that would float in 12" of water. I couldn't pole it but I could set up drift if the wind was right. See, down here we have to worry about destroying our sea grass which is crucial for our fishery. Do you guys have to worry that up there?
No the areas that have clear enough water to sight fish are a rocky bottom here. The only thing growing on them is zebra mussels sometimes and they're an invasive species so they don't mind if we hurt them. Super skinny water isn't a big issue typically the fish are in 1-3 ft.
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There is a lot more going on in your Eco system than ours it seems. Also down in Florida people seem to care a lot more about not destroying things which is good. Here it can be a little rough in that department but luckily our human population in my area is pretty darn thin so even though some a careless the impact is very low.
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The biggest poling skiff I've owned that could take a decent sea is an older 18 Hewes. But seems to me with your depth requirements and seaworthyness you're better off looking at bay boats with a trolling motor.
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:29 PM   #10
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Check out a Maritime Skiff great all around bay boat, not the sexiest skiff but it can do everything you requested. Make sure you put trim tabs on.
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The bayboat with trolling motor may work pretty good. I have a feeling I'd have my fly line all tangled up on the motor in no time though... But fishing alone would be a lot easier..
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Beavertail Skiff - Vengeance. All around awesome boat.
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Check out the 18 Evo from Panga Marine. I pole one of their 22 footers without too much trouble.
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Thanks guys, I have some things to look into now and a little more idea what to consider in a boat. I have a while to think about it as people are driving trucks on the bay's right now and will be until March.
Is the weight of a boat a big deal when poling? Or is a boat that is gonna catch more wind a bigger problem?
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:56 PM   #15
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Sea n Sport sweet 16. Really nice V hull with a lot of flair. Super light weight. Not the highest tier boat but great design. Find a used for cheap and do some rebuild work with composites.

My brother had one with a 90 Yamaha 2 stroke on it and it was a 50mph boat.
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Thanks guys, I have some things to look into now and a little more idea what to consider in a boat. I have a while to think about it as people are driving trucks on the bay's right now and will be until March.
Is the weight of a boat a big deal when poling? Or is a boat that is gonna catch more wind a bigger problem?
Yes, weight is a big deal when poling. For example, the older 18' Hewes had a dry weight of around 1600 lbs. It was certainly more difficult to pole than the 800 lb Beavertail 17 I have now, but not nearly as difficult as an older 18' Maverick Master Angler at 2000 lbs+. I also had a 21' Hewes flats boat that I took the poling platform off cause no way I was gonna try to pole that.

All about compromises in boats of course. Basically, lighter/less deadrise/lower gunwales = easier to pole / less draft. Take the opposite of all those = better ride in a sea. My experience was the 18 Hewes met somewhere in the middle of those compromises and would poll in 9" of water. Maybe a lighter aluminum boat with more deadrise might fit the bill best, but I have no experience there.
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Fly fishing for carp eh? (Awesome!)

You might reach out to this guy. He's selling a Mako 181 a bit up north there.
http://www.microskiff.com/threads/ma...0/#post-336679

I just sold my Mako 181. Spent alot of time fly fishing for reds and snook on it down here on our flats.

Its wide and is self bailing. It can handle long bay crossings easily. It'll float under 10-12" and you can pole it if needed, but excels with a trolling motor.
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Fly fishing for carp eh? (Awesome!)

You might reach out to this guy. He's selling a Mako 181 a bit up north there.
http://www.microskiff.com/threads/ma...0/#post-336679

I just sold my Mako 181. Spent alot of time fly fishing for reds and snook on it down here on our flats.

Its wide and is self bailing. It can handle long bay crossings easily. It'll float under 10-12" and you can pole it if needed, but excels with a trolling motor.
Yup! Chasing Da Carp! Something different.. I was so bored with trolling for walleye and almost quit fishing but then I bought a fly rod. It's a whole new world and I like it. I'll check on that boat.. that's the direction I'm lookIng now. Trolling motor over poling most of the time I guess but maybe not on the real nice days.
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That is a nice looking boat and I like the price point but a long ways to go to check out a used boat. Would be very disheartening if it didn't meet expectations..
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Take a look at my 21' Action Craft in my sig link below. I might suit your needs. I wish I had a boat like it when I lived in Ontario.
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