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Old 11-02-2016, 01:53 AM   #41
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Maybe so... I'll never take another person's last cigarette nor would I consider taking his means to make a living and/or defend themselves... So I'll just continue to take the one big claw...
I went looking for that study and could not find it. I like your analogy. Although taking their last cigarette would be helping them. Ha!
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I went looking for that study and could not find it.
Might indicate it was rubbish science...

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Although taking their last cigarette would be helping them. Ha!
Short term it would cause trouble... People don't realize how addictive the coffin nails are... Long term it would help them... I'm going to try and quit (again) next week...
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I went looking for that study and could not find it. I like your analogy. Although taking their last cigarette would be helping them. Ha!
It's cited on the myFWC website..... on further review, I don't see it there. Not sure where I read the same study. FWC cites a study that basically says survival is dependent on how well the claws are broken off and that crabs die of infection if the diaphragm behind the claw is broken when the claw is removed.
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It's cited on the myFWC website
Yes. Both claws of a stone crab may be harvested lawfully if they are of legal size. Stone CrabAlthough it is currently lawful to harvest both of a stone crab's claws, this practice leaves the stone crab with few alternatives to defend itself from predators.
Although the crab can still obtain minimal amounts of food with no claws, having one claw (if the other one is harvested) will enable the crab to obtain greater amounts of food in a shorter amount of time. Stone crabs (like other crustaceans) have the ability to grow back their claws, but this process requires a large amount of energy in the form of food.
The quicker the crab can obtain the energy required to molt and grow its lost claw, the sooner this renewable delicacy will have another claw to replace the missing one.

That is from FWC
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I wonder how many people will catch a crab that has already had a claw harvested, then take the remaining claw because that's "all there is"?
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I wonder how many people will catch a crab that has already had a claw harvested, then take the remaining claw because that's "all there is"?
About the same percentage as fishermen (and women) who'll have a sailfish mounted instead of releasing it...
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Wasn't there a study that showed taking BOTH claws helped the population bc it increased mating.
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About the same percentage as fishermen (and women) who'll have a sailfish mounted instead of releasing it...
I don't see the correlation there.
I don't think anyone cuts off the bill of a sailfish, and returns the fish back into the water and "hope" he lives.
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Wasn't there a study that showed taking BOTH claws helped the population bc it increased mating.
Because it's harder for the wimmin crabs to protest??
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I don't see the correlation there.
I don't think anyone cuts off the bill of a sailfish, and returns the fish back into the water and "hope" he lives.
The correlation is in the disregard for other people and nature in general...
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The correlation is in the disregard for other people and nature in general...
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:56 AM   #52
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Harvested 17 claws yesterday.
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Old 11-22-2016, 04:18 AM   #53
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Went out Saturday after a two week soak to find zip ties on 2 of my 4 traps popped. Will check them every few days over the holidays but if the poaching continues, I'll try relocating my traps before pulling them.
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Old 12-23-2016, 03:02 PM   #54
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Today's total: one claw and a nasty bite by a pufferfish. Man that hurt! I've removed a ton of these fish from my traps with no incident but tonight I got bit through the glove and took it a small chunk of skin off. No hole in the glove but managed to pinch a piece of skin right off. Damn!
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I pulled mine today too, 21 claws.
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Old 12-28-2016, 01:04 PM   #56
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I am getting home from work in tampa in about a week and will be off until the end of March. I have traps all ready and rigged to go and have been reading as much as I can about placement but can't make a decision. I keep my boat in St Pete at maximo. I wa thinking around tierra verde bridge or running out to SPB reef. Any thoughts or recommendations.
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I purchase 5 traps a year ago and decided to finally pour cement this year and test them out. So far been getting an average of 8 claws per week. I just put them on new locations this week and will see what happens, is there any advice on what to look for went putting the traps in the water?
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Had a great trip last week, got 46 claws on an absolutely gorgeous day. Around 55 or so probably would have been our 2.5 gallon boat limit so we decided to call it a day.

Here's mortality statistics from MyFWC

"One claw or two: The only declawing study that has been published (Davis et al., 1978) reported 47 percent of the crabs declawed by double amputation died from the trauma while 28 percent of crabs with a single amputation died. (Figure 10)"

Expressed in terms of survival 53% survive double amputation and 72% survive single amputation.

One or both claws? Some math.

Assume 50 claws harvested, taking one claw we affect 50 crabs, 72% of which survive leaving 36 healthy crabs.

Taking both claws we affect 25 crabs and leave another 25 that we would have affected only taking one claw untouched. Of those we took claws from, 53% survive or 13.25 let's call it 13. So we have 13 crabs that we took claws from that ultimately survive plus our untouched group of 25 leaving us 38 survivors in our 50 claw harvest, 2 more than our single declawing group.

Whether you take one or two is just about a wash but since most people have a hard time properly breaking a claw I think affecting less crabs in total by taking both is the best strategy.
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Had a great trip last week, got 46 claws on an absolutely gorgeous day. Around 55 or so probably would have been our 2.5 gallon boat limit so we decided to call it a day.

Here's mortality statistics from MyFWC

"One claw or two: The only declawing study that has been published (Davis et al., 1978) reported 47 percent of the crabs declawed by double amputation died from the trauma while 28 percent of crabs with a single amputation died. (Figure 10)"

Expressed in terms of survival 53% survive double amputation and 72% survive single amputation.

One or both claws? Some math.

Assume 50 claws harvested, taking one claw we affect 50 crabs, 72% of which survive leaving 36 healthy crabs.

Taking both claws we affect 25 crabs and leave another 25 that we would have affected only taking one claw untouched. Of those we took claws from, 53% survive or 13.25 let's call it 13. So we have 13 crabs that we took claws from that ultimately survive plus our untouched group of 25 leaving us 38 survivors in our 50 claw harvest, 2 more than our single declawing group.

Whether you take one or two is just about a wash but since most people have a hard time properly breaking a claw I think affecting less crabs in total by taking both is the best strategy.
Isn't 2 gallons the vessel limit?

I think your math only work under the assumption that everyone catches their limit or desired amount of claws under the limit. Otherwise you just keep going affecting as many crabs as possible until you reach your limit.

Why do people have a hard time breaking claws? I find it pretty easy when you are trapping as most do. You can take your time getting a hold of the crab without getting pinched. I have trouble sometimes when diving for crab because the crab has a chance to fight back and is sometimes trying to break my fingers in return. At this point I only dive. Traps are just work to me, not fun, for that I can buy crabs.
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Isn't 2 gallons the vessel limit?

I think your math only work under the assumption that everyone catches their limit or desired amount of claws under the limit. Otherwise you just keep going affecting as many crabs as possible until you reach your limit.

Why do people have a hard time breaking claws? I find it pretty easy when you are trapping as most do. You can take your time getting a hold of the crab without getting pinched. I have trouble sometimes when diving for crab because the crab has a chance to fight back and is sometimes trying to break my fingers in return. At this point I only dive. Traps are just work to me, not fun, for that I can buy crabs.
You're right 2 gallons.

We don't use traps either, just diving for them. My point with the math is it doesn't make much difference one way or the other, for any quantity of claws you're probably better off taking both if possible since you're affecting less crabs if/when you reach your limit which is presumably your goal. Breaking the claw is stressful and the survival chance isn't that much better when you take one (72% vs. 53%) to warrant messing with double the amount of crabs.
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