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anybody notice the headlines this am, transit union in NYC is striking b/c they want more money, go figure. Hell, I want more money too, as do my coworkers, thing is that my boss would go broke if he had to give 8% wage increases across the board, so I don't think I'll go on strike today. Oh, by the way, this particular strike is actually illegal, yet they plan to proceed with it anyway, and will very likey create a major disruption in transportation in the NYC area. Very likely that it could lead to a significant economic impact for area business who are counting on holliday shoppers, who may not be able to get to their stores.
At the risk of being black balled, chewed up and spit out. I am going to ask you to give it a rest. You have no first hand knowledge of what the true situation is, nor do I. And we both know that if it is in the newspaper it's got to be the truth, right? (notes of sarcasm ringing). The one thing I can tell you is, let a few years pass get some real world experience and maybe one day you will wake up and realize things aren't cut and dried as you once thought they were. Don't remember exactly when it happened to me, but I woke up one day understanding that there was such a color as grey, not everything was black or white.
The last couple days the union threads and the Verizion thread have kinda got me thinking, maybe you need to think. What happens when the company you are working for renegs on a promise? It's happened to me twice, and on Jan 1, 2006 it's going to happen again. I didn't force them to make that promise, it was part of the comp package they offered. Fortunately I have made provisions for myself and my family. But think about it. Obviously not everyone in the world is as smart as you, so it is possible that some people really took a promose to mean it's real. Maybe they trusted their company, now years later they find out belattedly that their trust was misguided. What do they do?
When you are young and your entire life is a head of you everything is clear, but one day you wake up and realize, that most of your life is a yesterday and you have fewer tomorrows than you thought you were going to have. I can tell you that, upon reflection, many of the things that I said and done to offend people, because of my high and holy opinion, today I can't understand why, I done such things.
Just as this world needs presidents, doctors, lawyers, managers, buyers, sellers and developers, so to does it need garbagemen, taxicab drivers, bus drivers, laborers and janitors. It's best not to talk bad any one of these professions, none of us truly know where we will be tomorrow.
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When you are young and your entire life is a head of you everything is clear, but one day you wake up and realize, that most of your life is a yesterday and you have fewer tomorrows than you thought you were going to have. I can tell you that, upon reflection, many of the things that I said and done to offend people, because of my high and holy opinion, today I can't understand why, I done such things.
my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
The last couple days the union threads and the Verizion thread have kinda got me thinking, maybe you need to think. What happens when the company you are working for renegs on a promise? It's happened to me twice, and on Jan 1, 2006 it's going to happen again. I didn't force them to make that promise, it was part of the comp package they offered. Fortunately I have made provisions for myself and my family. But think about it. Obviously not everyone in the world is as smart as you, so it is possible that some people really took a promose to mean it's real. Maybe they trusted their company, now years later they find out belattedly that their trust was misguided. What do they do?
point well taken, my only coment regarding that is that anyone who excepts a promise for future compensation by any business without preparing for their future on their own as well is living with their head in the sand. In most cases, these pensions are only as good as the company that is backing them. To think that every company that offers them will never come on hard times, be bought out, ect. is way to optimistic IMO. I don't think that anybody that takes that approach is a bad person or anything, but often time they look at it from a very skewed point of view.
my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
It will help them get what they want, thats why...
my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
It will help them get what they want, thats why...
my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
It will help them get what they want, thats why...
"Keep on walking NY, don't let these bastards shut us down."
That was Ed Koch in '80 when the last transit strike was. I was living in Manhattan at the time and the strike was harsh for everyone, but it did not shut us down like the unions wanted. People car pooled, walked, or biked to work. Let em strike. Let em strike long as it take for their families to feel the hurt that thet are trying to make everyone else feel so that they can get what they want.
This guy sure deserves that guranteed 8% raise a year and the benefits.
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When I graduated college I was so darn conservative in my views and thinking ( a regular Alex B. Keating). As you get older things aren't as cut and dry; its called wisdom. Still conservative on lots of stuff, and less so on other stuff, but your point was excellent.
whys everyone blaming the drivers i believe they been trying to work out the contract for a few months now and nobody wanted to now about it. if the bus owners were that worried about it they could have tried harder to negotiate a contract. these drivers dont want to go on strike they lose money too. nobody ever wins in a strike i know ive been there before.good luck to them i hope it works out for them
autobaun70 - 12/16/2005 9:20 AM my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
I don't know what you're complaining about...usually hard for me to tell weather union people are on strike or not. Best to check for spider webs on 'em.
Recently saw a report, Delphi union people (can't call them workers) cost $76/hr. vs. other manufacturing workers @ $22/hr.
autobaun70 - 12/16/2005 9:20 AM my biggest point was that I find it to be sickening and pathetic for anyone to even consider going on strike a week before Christmas. Like unions or not, this is a bad move for everybody.
I don't know what you're complaining about...usually hard for me to tell weather union people are on strike or not.* Best to check for spider webs on 'em.
Recently saw a report, Delphi union people (can't call them workers) cost $76/hr. vs. other manufacturing workers @ $22/hr.
Concerning Delphi; Delphi was suppose to go to bankruptcy court this coming tues. They postponed the hearing to a later date because of the flack with the cuts and what not. The reason they were going to court is becuse they had to get permission from the courts to enact a $488 MILLION dollar executive bonus package. Yep, that $76 hr. pay/benefit package is really killing them huh?
Jim
Have fun with the thread, I'll sit the rest of this one out.
Yes it is. The wage package is 3 times the going rate. There are a lot of workers that can put a nut on a bolt, there are only a few managers that can lead corporations. Most of us understand this basic law of supply and demand. Hopefully union people can learn and quit whining.
All those whining union people can just shut up and get really great jobs at Wal-Mart. No benefits? Pshaw. They can bring their RVs and live in 'em in the parking lots, FREE! and have a real easy commute to work, too. Jeez!
Personally, I'd like to see the MANAGERS canned and have to go work at W-M.
Autobaun, there is other info you're leaving out. Things like the MTA "found" $1 billion - yes that is with a B - extra they didn't know they had. What great book keeping. The union is looking for a decent raise for it's people in light of that fact.
And no, I'm not a union member. I haven't been a union member in 15 years. But any gov't agency that "finds" $1 billion dollars it didn't know it had has some serious problems...especially since it was asking them to take a pay cut, cut jobs, etc BEFORE they found the money. They said they were loosing millions. Oops!
Unions really seem to be at work in NYC 
