South Carolina Speeding ticket to North Carolina - The Hull Truth

rustynutz · 12-11-2005, 08:01 PM

I received a ticket in South Carolina for doing 54 in a 45, The officer told me it will not impact my NC drivers license or insurance, I seem to find conflicting info, The general concensus is that if you are doing more then 10mph over the posted speed the ticket will reciprocate. I am glad she reduced it from the 62 I was doing, makes me wonder how she came up w/ 54 mph, sounds like the 10 mph thing might be true because she made a point of telling me it would not show up in NC, Just curious?

TB Hawks · 12-11-2005, 08:12 PM

Gee, kinda makes me wonder what else the cop does that is illegal.....62 in a 45 reduced to 54 in a 45.....shame on you for speeding (IMHO)...but more shame on the officer.....Was there a radar slip, did she show you the slip showing the actual speed......If not hire an attorney and fight the ticket, no radar slip....you show up in court with an attorney....I bet the officer does not show...the judge should throw it out....ok, you don't want to spend the money on a attorney......go it alone, you can talk to the judge yourself......

Shag · 12-11-2005, 08:24 PM

If the ticket shows 54 in a 45 and you have no other violations within 3 years, it is waivable under the NC SDIP. That's the NC "point" system. If it had been 55 in a 45 it would have been OK too. Not sure why everybody (including attorneys) go for 9 over when the law says 10 over.

However, if you have a another violation, it will be a one pointer. If you have a PJC in your household, don't go for a PJC because they will both become chargeable.

Years ago that ticket wouldn't even show up. Anybody remember the "pay it now" tickets in Cheraw and Bennetsville? Lately the reciprocity between NC and SC is better but some still fall thru the cracks.

See how boring my life is?

HeadHunt · 12-11-2005, 08:27 PM

Please explain Prayer for Judgement.

HH

Shag · 12-11-2005, 08:38 PM

A PJC in North Carolina is waivable as far as driver's license and insurance points go. However, the SDIP (point system) that NC has only allows one PJC per household.

Example: Hubby gets PJC on a 60 in a 45. No points. Wifey gets PJC on 60 in a 45, both come back to haunt you and, in this case, you are looking at 2 points each.

fldmax · 12-11-2005, 08:44 PM

If you have a CDL then it will show. Most states share the info between each other. Some states have a traffic school you can attend and it will keep the points off. Fl does this not sure about NC. As for taking it to court if you were speeding and the officer dropped the speed for you then I would not recommend you go unless you check and find that the judge will with hold the points and allow you to pay court cost and this will keep the points off also. I know when I wrote a ticket and I gave a break it was not dropping the speed I wrote a ticket for failure to obey a traffic control device. Less points and cheaper. I also never gave a ticket unless you were at least 15 plus over the posted speed limit .I did this to people who asked for a break and I felt like giving one. After all it was my choice what I did. If they took it to court I would show up and advise the judge of the break and he would act upon it in his own terms. In short unless you KNOW the judge will hold the points and you have a clean driving record I would not recommend you go to court unless you are not guilty. And you already admitted you were. You might check and see what options are allowed to keep the points off. If you have a clean deriving record ask the officer before they start to write if they would allow you a chance break because you have such a clean driving record and you might get one. I know several cops out there just give tickets cause they can. NO breaks at all. Then most were not as nice as I was. guess you could say the pressure from the Feds on speed and MADD mothers and the NEED for $$$$$ have changed the way most dept's handle tickets.
Oh TB what is a radar slip. I never saw a printer on a laser or radar gun. And Fl law does not require we show you the speed on the display. It does require that the office be certified on radar or laser before they can write a ticket.

Shag · 12-11-2005, 08:52 PM

fldmax, NC has traffic schools but if he is only 9 over, there are no insurance points and only one driver point so that wouldn't be an issue. I think NC allows 8 driver points before they get picky.

Ever hear of Waldo FL? I did.

fldmax · 12-11-2005, 10:09 PM

NC is great. Yes I know about Waldo!!!!!!! I know some FHP Troopers that were stopped in the patrol vehicle. That Cop got BALLS. Anyway glad to hear NC is that way. Rnuts should be happy. I did I 10 most of the time and figure 85mph was fast enough for most people. I always remember this time of year cause the excuses get real good and creative. Stopped a women doing 93 about 9:30 pm and asked her if she knew how fast she was going? She replied NO I was singing Christmas Songs with my 2 kids. I asked her if she thought singing at 93 mph was a good idea? It took me 4 miles to get her to stop. To which she replied, as long as the cruise was set she felt it was safe. Yes I gave her a driving award for 93. If no other reason then the kids safety.

robbielinton · 12-11-2005, 10:18 PM

Just a note on this subject. I would not hire an attorney to fight a speeding ticket. You can do just as good for yourself. Why don't you file for a motion of discovery through the agency that the officer works for. If they say you need a lawyer to file one then ask them to put this in writing. I doubt they will give you any problems after this. If they do put it in writing make sure you do not lose this paper. Take it to court with you and show the judge. If they allow you to file the motion. I think you will be happy come court time. It usually gets thrown out from lack of evidence. I say this because most local yokels do not have correct calibration records of their equipment and the officers are not correctly trained in using radar. One other thing to think of did the officer ask you if you wanted to see the calibration records on the gun that clocked you? If not I think you just won your case........BTW if they file the motion of discovery they have to show you all the proof they have on you. Most times it is slim and none.

rustynutz · 12-12-2005, 06:15 PM

Interesting, I received a prayer for judgement I think 3+ years ago, for doing 88 in a 55, heading to the beach. I was wondering how it would come into play, I was thinking there was some term of time that had to pass, or it would reappear if I received another violation. The ticket is $74.00 which is cheap, my prayer for judgement cost me 600 or so w/ attny, who eats breakfast w/ the judge every morning, seems like the system is really rigged sometimes, but I guess what is not these days.

TB Hawks · 12-12-2005, 06:27 PM

You need a vehicle with cruise control......now that you info us on your past record, you might want to consult with an attorney.

autobaun70 · 12-12-2005, 06:40 PM

I don't have a clue as to how points & all transfer from NC to SC, but if you plan on showing up in court, the officer will be there, it's built into their schedule. When the SC troopers issue a citation, the date is already set in advance.

neckbone · 12-12-2005, 07:13 PM

Like Autobaun, I don't know how it works in NC, but in SC, if you have one speeding ticket, no matter what the cop says, it will affect your insurance if they run your MVR. Most companies do not check your MVR at every renewal because it is cost prohibitive to do so. They have random checks. They do run it on all new business. Another ticket that cops (and judges) tell you won't affect your insurance but it does, is Careless Operation of a Motor Vehicle. It doesn't give you any points on your license, but counts the same as a 10&under speeding ticket to your insurance company.

Disclaimer: This may not apply to every insurance company in SC, but does apply to most.

Shag · 12-12-2005, 07:28 PM

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neckbone - 12/12/2005 7:13 PM

Like Autobaun, I don't know how it works in NC, but in SC, if you have one speeding ticket, no matter what the cop says, it will affect your insurance if they run your MVR. Most companies do not check your MVR at every renewal because it is cost prohibitive to do so. They have random checks. They do run it on all new business. Another ticket that cops (and judges) tell you won't affect your insurance but it does, is Careless Operation of a Motor Vehicle. It doesn't give you any points on your license, but counts the same as a 10&under speeding ticket to your insurance company.

Disclaimer: This may not apply to every insurance company in SC, but does apply to most.

Interesting. I got a ticket in Cheraw about 5 years ago. It was 51 in a 35 (he was sitting behind the 45 sign. I just "resumed my speed" a little early) Real nice guy and he kept offering the "Careless Operation" you mention. I finally told him that if he really wanted to do me a favor just drop it to 45 in a 35 which is waivable in NC. He did.

Thanks neckbone, now I know what he was talking about. We don't have that in NC. If anyone is interested in the North Carolina insurance point system read all about it here:

http://www.ncdoi.com/Consumer/public...ive%20plan.pdf

Technically, if there are four drivers in your household, each one of them could have a 10 or less over and one of them could have a PJC and no points would be chargable. However, in reality, most underwriters would not leave this is their preferred company so you could except a hefty price increase even though there are no points being charged.

BTW, even the 45-35 never showed up on my NC MVR.

ECMatt90 · 12-17-2005, 04:28 PM

I will give you the QUICK ANSWER. The reason she reduced your ticket is because if you are doing less than 10MPH over the speed limit it does not effect your insurance premiums. Hence the 54 in a 45. You had a nice Officer. I have had to take some of my tickets to the county DA to have them reduce it to less than 10 over.

Curmudgeon · 12-17-2005, 04:51 PM

District Attorneys just love you guys who think they can beat the system with something as simple as a "radar slip", or "the cop probably won't show", or "the cop broke the law because he dropped the speed" (let's see, if one were actually doing 62 in a 45, I believe one was also doing every bit of 54 in a 45) . Please, try to convince a judge the cop was wrong for not charging the full 62 - I'm sure he can accomodate you. Besides, the DA needs a laugh and the State needs your money.

jyasaki · 12-20-2005, 01:51 PM

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fldmax - 12/11/2005 7:09 PM
Stopped a women doing 93 about 9:30 pm and asked her if she knew how fast she was going? She replied NO I was singing Christmas Songs with my 2 kids. I asked her if she thought singing at 93 mph was a good idea? It took me 4 miles to get her to stop.

The statement I like is "I had to do 80 to catch up to you." Well, if you left a little earlier, you wouldn't have had to.

FWIW, I had a cop pull me over while towing the boat (60-ish in a 55.) He complained about how long it took me to pull over, so I asked him if he ever thought about pulling out from behind the boat. He then realized that there was no way I could see the lights on his car when he was directly behind me. Let me off with a verbal warning.

jky

autobaun70 · 12-20-2005, 02:14 PM

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jyasaki - 12/20/2005 1:51 PM

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fldmax - 12/11/2005 7:09 PM
Stopped a women doing 93 about 9:30 pm and asked her if she knew how fast she was going? She replied NO I was singing Christmas Songs with my 2 kids. I asked her if she thought singing at 93 mph was a good idea? It took me 4 miles to get her to stop.

The statement I like is "I had to do 80 to catch up to you." Well, if you left a little earlier, you wouldn't have had to.

FWIW, I had a cop pull me over while towing the boat (60-ish in a 55.) He complained about how long it took me to pull over, so I asked him if he ever thought about pulling out from behind the boat. He then realized that there was no way I could see the lights on his car when he was directly behind me. Let me off with a verbal warning.

jky

I had the same thing happen in 2002, not with a boat, but with a flat bed trailer. It was a DOT officer who thought I was overweight. Him of all people should have known that you can't see around a wide trailer. He was ticked when I scaled out barely under the limit for my tag, it was within a couple hundred lbs.