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Old 03-13-2014, 06:18 AM
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This is becoming very "Red October" like.
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Here's what I know from my 777 peeps on the inside. The Rolls Royce Trent engines send technical automated messages through the ACARS system which sends these reports using a satellite link. It sent all scheduled reports every 1/2 hour to RR even after the transponder stopped transmitting One of these messages is automatically sent at the end of the flight when the plane is on the ground. From what I was told this message was never received. It shows the plane kept flying for an additional 5 hours according to the ACARS messages received by RR. The 777 has 2 transponders. If one fails the crew would be alerted and just switch to the second transponder. Also heard a rumor that the captain might have been dealing with some mental health issues.
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Why do they make the transponders with an on off switch? I would think you would always want them on?
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Malaysia's military and civilian air authority couldn't find a 777 if it flew up their butt...using both hands...
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Why do they make the transponders with an on off switch? I would think you would always want them on?
You leave the transponder in standby mode when the aircraft is on the ground. Don't want an entire airfield full of squawking x-ponders.
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Here's what I know from my 777 peeps on the inside. The Rolls Royce Trent engines send technical automated messages through the ACARS system which sends these reports using a satellite link. It sent all scheduled reports every 1/2 hour to RR even after the transponder stopped transmitting One of these messages is automatically sent at the end of the flight when the plane is on the ground. From what I was told this message was never received. It shows the plane kept flying for an additional 5 hours according to the ACARS messages received by RR. The 777 has 2 transponders. If one fails the crew would be alerted and just switch to the second transponder. Also heard a rumor that the captain might have been dealing with some mental health issues.
The airline says Rolls and Boeing deny receiving info.

Your "777 peeps on the inside" were just reading the WSJ article.

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Five more hours flying just above the water surface is just about how much the plane had in fuel loaded for the trip to China. Ever had a personal problem (broke up with GF or just got fired) and you get in your car and just drive and drive? Maybe this is what happened to the pilot. The plane is probably somewhere on the bottom of the Indian ocean. Unbelievable, best reality TV ever...
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Malaysia's military and civilian air authority couldn't find a 777 if it flew up their butt...using both hands...
YA THINK! Seems they're all retired cruise ship crew.
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I think the WSJ article is incorrect.

It was explained to me that the automatic engine "health" reporting was an option on the 777, and that this particular aircraft DID NOT have that option.

There is also a proposed AD (airworthiness directive) for the 777 regarding potential pressure vessel leaks around some communications antennae.

I think the two most likely scenarios are 1. Fire 2. Pressure loss (google the death of golfer Payne Stewart)

We shall see (hopefully).

What the hell do I know I only fly Cessna's and my uncle's Mooney every once in a while. Jets are out of my league unfortunately.

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Im still shocked that the transponders are not linked to satellites, similar to EPIRB. Seems like that would be a viable option for tracking these flights, rather than ground based radar with limited range.
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I think the WSJ article is incorrect.

It was explained to me that the automatic engine "health" reporting was an option on the 777, and that this particular aircraft DID NOT have that option.

There is also a proposed AD (airworthiness directive) for the 777 regarding potential pressure vessel leaks around some communications antennae.

I think the two most likely scenarios are 1. Fire 2. Pressure loss (google the death of golfer Payne Stewart)

We shall see (hopefully).

What the hell do I know I only fly Cessna's and my uncle's Mooney every once in a while. Jets are out of my league unfortunately.

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Forgive me here guys but is that object the Chinese found the missing plane?
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This is becoming very "Red October" like.
No kidding!
from the movie

"Give me one ping and one ping only"
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"Give me one ping and one ping only"
Such a good movie.
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my cousin just bought one hangared in hammond
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Chris I'm sending a pm.

Hammond airport has an awesome FBO there. I fly there and borrow their escalade to go eat at middendorf's fun trip!
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Im still shocked that the transponders are not linked to satellites, similar to EPIRB. Seems like that would be a viable option for tracking these flights, rather than ground based radar with limited range.
This fiasco is going to CHANGE many things I would imagine.
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Vietnam Fails to Find Debris After China Satellite Images
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Malaysia's military and civilian air authority couldn't find a 777 if it flew up their butt...using both hands...
That is becoming very apparent. Or else they are withholding info and not telling all they know.
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Chris I'm sending a pm.

Hammond airport has an awesome FBO there. I fly there and borrow their escalade to go eat at middendorf's fun trip!
let me know next time
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Forgive me here guys but is that object the Chinese found the missing plane?
No. They said that picture was never supposed to be released and it was a mistake
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