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Old 03-11-2014, 05:23 AM
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:44 AM
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You couldn't land this plane at any airport without having someone somewhere notice that it wasn't supposed to be there. With the fuel load and pax aboard you'd need at least a 5000' strip X 100' wide with the ability to support the aircraft's weight. I'm sure every airport that fits that description and was in range has already been checked.

Why hijack a passenger flight and turn it into a bomb when you could buy a cargo jet sitting in the desert and fill it with whatever you wanted and fly it anywhere without suspicion.

Doesn't make sense.
Yes it makes perfect sense. Who in that neck of the woods would want a jet for a bomb or its technology. Lets pick someplace silly to compare this to opposed to looking for a real answer of what may have happened. So lets say.. North Korea was going to build a nuke ICBM but has continued to fail to complete a delivery system. What other alternative could be used? Buy a jet from the desert that would be recognized immediately or steal a jet that will blend in for the next 20 years. The jet could leave North Korea undetected just as it arrived. The jet stripped of weight could be retrofitted with extra fuel to extend range if need be and then just pop up at a target someday. A great disguise is something that blends right in . This jet will qualify. Then there could also be technology reasons for wanting a jet such as this. If there continues to be no trace, there is really only a few things that could have happened. The plane crashed intact and sank , Crashed in a remote land area undetected or it was stolen and landed in a country that has the capability of keeping such a thing a secret.
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I was out at TWA800 - and you're right... .there is a bunch of stuff floating around. The issue is - even all of that "stuff" floating around is still smaller than most of the weedlines that we fish. It's a big ass ocean.
Additionally TWA 800 was just climbing out, altitude still in the teens, exact position of the aircraft at time of loss was known, the point of impact was very close to shore and rescue/ search vessels were on the scene very shortly after the incident.

In this case, the aircraft was more then double the altitude of TWA 800, exact position of the aircraft appears to be in question, suspect impact area was not close to shore and it was many hours before search vessels got to what was the suspected area of impact ,that in this case may or may not have been accurate. I would also speculate that at least in the initial stages of the search, aircraft and surface based search assets and coordination of said search assets would not have been of the same quality and quantity as would be encountered in US Coastal Waters with both the US Coast Guard and US Navy on the scene.

Lots of "stuff" to be left in the water after a wide body aircraft goes down, but given the size of the search area and the action of wind, tide and current present in the ocean, I do not find it that unbelievable that floating debris from this aircraft have not yet been located.

Would be great if Dirk Pitt sailed in and found the jet and rescued all on board from some rouge Asian War Lord but IMO sadly what is left of this aircraft and the poor folks who were on board is in pieces in and under the ocean.

Hopefully that wreckage gets located and the determination of terrible mishap or heinous crime can eventually be answered.

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Remember the plane that disappeared in the Everglades when the oxygen cylinders blew up? Essentially NO debris on the surface.

Muslims are behind this.
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It's aliens.
I think that's stretching it a bit. Aliens typically stick to lower profile targets. But since we don't know much yet, anything is possible. And it has happened before.

Signs indicate a disturbance.

The pilot managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end," said the B777 captain. "That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection." Pilot further stated "If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call. But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it."

Here's when it happened in the general area before:

"Out in the Pacific, the ship encountered a strange storm-like vortex which disappears after the ship passes through it. Initially unsure of what has happened, and having lost radio contact with Pacific Fleet Command, Captain launched reconnaissance aircraft to discover the entire ship had traveled back in time."

Einstein believed time travel possible; and due to global warming, umm climate change, there has been a lot of vortexes lately.
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This isn't the first time a jet has gone missing. A flight engineer I used to fly with at Fine Airlines named Ben Padilla went missing in a 727 after a bizarre series of events transpired in Angola. He and the plane have never been seen again. I know him and I know in order for that plane to have taken off he had to have been dead or incapacitated. The plane took off without clearance from the tower and was never seen again. The CIA used spy satellites to overfly airports looking for the plane. it was feared it would be used in a 9-11 type attack. It has never turned up anywhere. No evidence of a crash either.

Here's the story... http://www.airspacemag.com/history-o...371187/?no-ist

I was going to ask the question but looks like you have the answer. With all the technology and population growth this world is small. How can a BIG plane like that just go missing? Puzzles me.
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Yes it makes perfect sense. Who in that neck of the woods would want a jet for a bomb or its technology. Lets pick someplace silly to compare this to opposed to looking for a real answer of what may have happened. So lets say.. North Korea was going to build a nuke ICBM but has continued to fail to complete a delivery system. What other alternative could be used? Buy a jet from the desert that would be recognized immediately or steal a jet that will blend in for the next 20 years. The jet could leave North Korea undetected just as it arrived. The jet stripped of weight could be retrofitted with extra fuel to extend range if need be and then just pop up at a target someday. A great disguise is something that blends right in . This jet will qualify. Then there could also be technology reasons for wanting a jet such as this. If there continues to be no trace, there is really only a few things that could have happened. The plane crashed intact and sank , Crashed in a remote land area undetected or it was stolen and landed in a country that has the capability of keeping such a thing a secret.
As silly as it might sound, the jet/bomb delivery strategy does not sound that far fetched, although in my opinion less likely to be N Korea and more likely an Iranian backed terroirist plot. The Iranians have been making bombs and giving them to terrorists to kill Americans for years. This way they have plausible deniability.
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No confusion. Torfed said a flip of a switch could make a plane go dark. He's effectively right. Sure, it's not traditional radar, so technically you get to be right too.

Bottom line is, over open water, planes seemingly are self reporting, which was his point all along.
Wrong. That is an ignorant and false statement.

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No confusion. Torfed said a flip of a switch could make a plane go dark. He's effectively right.
You guys should pass this revelation on to the Air Force. Now that this " go dark" switch is available, all that stealth technology thing a ma jig is no longer needed.

Hopefully the Air Force still has the sales receipts for all those weird looking B-2s and can return them.....

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The only thing with the North Korea hijacking theory is fuel. They were going to Beijing, but to fly over the water, away from radar detection, between Taiwan and the Philippians, etc. they would have run out of fuel. Guess they could have refueled somewhere but then more people would have seen it.

I am thinking they are fish food and its taking time to find the debris. I took SAR a week or so to find the French plane in the Atlantic a few years ago.
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You are saying they could fly under radar or outside of the detectable area (which I'm not sure if that even exists on the planet). I am merely saying they could flip a switch and be invisible regardless of elevation or location. I am not looking to start an argument here. All i was doing is stating for them to disappear it was even easier than you had described.
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Not according to one of my best friends who is a pilot. So, please, explain. I mean, Maybe a pilot wouldn't be a good source for in-flight radar information.
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Wrong. That is an ignorant and false statement.

I know how you like to argue for grins but you are out of your sandbox.
You're a peach. Why not offer something then, other than "wrong"? Why not write something of some substance? Why not ADD to the discussion? I am admittedly out of my "sandbox", which is why I'd like to better understand it. Instead of helping others to understand, you just write "wrong". If you have some useful experiences or knowledge, stop being useless.

Nothing I wrote can be construed to be "ignorant" or "false" because of the way I've written it. The article I posted seemingly (pesky word that seemingly) indicates that YOU are wrong, so by all means, offer up something that proves otherwise, because the chest puffing just aint cutting it.

So what about that article is incorrect, and why?
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You guys should pass this revelation on to the Air Force. Now that this " go dark" switch is available, all that stealth technology thing a ma jig is no longer needed.

Hopefully the Air Force still has the sales receipts for all those weird looking B-2s and can return them.....
You must be confusing me with being the person who wrote the article I posted. For clarity, I am not.
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Wrong. That is an ignorant and false statement.

I know how you like to argue for grins but you are out of your sandbox.

You're in trouble now. Jzima/Ronn is never wrong.

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As silly as it might sound, the jet/bomb delivery strategy does not sound that far fetched, although in my opinion less likely to be N Korea and more likely an Iranian backed terroirist plot. The Iranians have been making bombs and giving them to terrorists to kill Americans for years. This way they have plausible deniability.
If the 777 couldn't make it to N Korea, How would it make it to Iran?

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The only thing with the North Korea hijacking theory is fuel. They were going to Beijing, but to fly over the water, away from radar detection, between Taiwan and the Philippians, etc. they would have run out of fuel. Guess they could have refueled somewhere but then more people would have seen it.

I am thinking they are fish food and its taking time to find the debris. I took SAR a week or so to find the French plane in the Atlantic a few years ago.
How many hours of flight does it take to fly from Malaysia to Beijing or NK opposed to going to NK with a little detour? All the 777 had to do is make itself undetectable. Any other siting at the time would have been..yup another jet is up there almost out of site. Most people don't pay any attention to jets flying around up there. I wouldn't know one from another or even what company owns it. Even if I did notice it, I wouldn't know if it belonged there or not. I'm sure there are people out there just like me.
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TV in China is reporting that family members have called the cell phones of the missing and it sounds as though they were answered and hung up on.
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TV in China is reporting that family members have called the cell phones of the missing and it sounds as though they were answered and hung up on.
that could be....lol we got caught again tapping phones!
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