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Old 11-21-2011, 03:18 AM
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Sorry, but this is a RANT.. This might be a way I am handling my grieving

I am going to my nieces wake today and tomorrow, she was a heroin addict

My sister say's she was trying to clean up (thank god)... So what happens is she goes to a Doctor and he prescribes Xanax for her, GREAT you may think...

Someone would believe that only if they weren't an addict...

Xanax is addicting, so now the heroin addict will be addicted to Xanax as well, its called cross addiction.

The only problem is if you mix Xanax and Heroin one of the side affects is DEATH.

I am sorry, but my friend who is a doctor called me to help a patient of his that was a heroin addict, on the phone I told her I would be her temporary sponsor... A short time later she stopped calling and answering her phone, when I called my friend and asked what happened, he told me she had died She was trying to clean up, I KNOWthis

He had prescribed Xanax for her as well
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Xanex is extremely addictive and if you get addicted it came be as painful as detoxing off of meth crack or heroine. Xanex really should be perscribed in extreme cases. Who was perscribing Xanex in your case? Was just a DR like a general practioner? Or a Psyhchiatrist MD. I have seen GP's make some extremely stupid and costly mistakes. Sorry for your loss
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Psyhchiatrist MD, this is what my sister said.. My buddy (GP) prescribed it to the other girl..

So I guess they both make stupid mistakes
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Mike i'm sorry for your loss. This seems to be all to common these days with drug and alcohol abuse.
Doctors seem to think they can fix any problem with medication. I have no idea why they thought xanax would help specially with suboxone available these days. Unfortunately these are the promisses of being an ative acoholic / drug addict.
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Mike i'm sorry for your loss. This seems to be all to common these days with drug and alcohol abuse.
Doctors seem to think they can fix any problem with medication. I have no idea why they thought xanax would help specially with suboxone available these days. Unfortunately these are the promisses of being an ative acoholic / drug addict.
Yea I know, I used to tell her, you have 3 choices

1) death
2) jail
3) sobriety

Its just sucks that anyone in this position, trying to get clean, goes to a doctor, and then they can die
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xanix is nassssty stuff. I was given them after my moms death for depression. It took a long time to get off them and I was taking half the dose I was given. .25mg of xanax per day for 6 months caused me to lay on my floor for a week and shake flip out ect..
My doctor failed to tell me that the FDA only approves this med for 6-8 week cycles not longer. I am sorry for your loss, xanax works great for a while but when its time to stop bad shit happens. If you mix with them its even worse
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Sorry for your loss, doctors are nothing but drug dealers now a day's.


pisses me off is I can't legally smoke some weed, yet they can push all this death in a pill
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Did the prescribing MD know she was a heroin addict? My condolences.
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What is your medical background? Benzodiazepenes are used to curb withdrawal symptoms. The appropriate therapy should be stepped down over a period of time. This is a proven medical practice if done correctly. Im not trying to.argue but it is a fact that you cannot abruptly stop a drug like heroin. What becomes a problem is when the doses aren't decreased. But also keep.in mind that you are talking about an addict and relapse is extremely common.
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I think benzos have been banned all together in Europe. Seems like most all overdose or suicide by pill deaths involve xanax. Opiates mixed with xanax is sure death. US doctors keep their schedules full by giving a one time xanax prescription which requires the patient to return every month for refills. From what I've heard the withdrawals can last months or can leave some people permanently damaged. Stay away at all costs. One more thing, their handing them out in iraq and afghan like candy.
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Did the prescribing MD know she was a heroin addict? My condolences.
In my nieces case, we are not sure, my sister asked the police to look into it..

As far as the girl I was helping, yes, my buddy (her doctor) confided in me as I spent some time trying to help his brother get sober, so he knew where I came from and trusted me.

I had NO idea, that he had also prescribed Xanax,that is just cross addiction, in the world where I come from, an addict doesn't take anything addicting NO MATTER WHAT...
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What is your medical background? Benzodiazepenes are used to curb withdrawal symptoms. The appropriate therapy should be stepped down over a period of time. This is a proven medical practice if done correctly. Im not trying to.argue but it is a fact that you cannot abruptly stop a drug like heroin. What becomes a problem is when the doses aren't decreased. But also keep.in mind that you are talking about an addict and relapse is extremely common.
You are the exact problem why I opened this thread, I come from no medical back ground, I am an addict sober since feb 12th 1999..

My exact point is what you just typed...You say relapse is quite common, so prescribe another addicting drug that if mixed with the addicts choice of drug will KILL them.

Buddy, open you eyes to what you just said

Sobriety has a 5% success rate, so you are saying, that 95% of who someone prescibes this for will die


You say that is proven medical practice, I can guarantee you that the only way it is successful would be in a facility, you don't hand an active addict a jar of addicting pills and expect them to take them as prescribed
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Sorry to hear that. Its a horrible thing for the family to go thru such a thing. Once these addicts get addicted to prescription Meds they will hit up 2 or 3 Drs to keep the supply going. It would be nice to have everybody in a computer system and when something is prescribed it shows up for other Drs. but addicts are addicts and they will find a way. Sorry bout your lose
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Yea I know, I used to tell her, you have 3 choices

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Exact same thing I told my step-daughter with the meth. It took a trip to jail (nearly a year) for her to finally sober up and see the light. I was certain the call from county morgue would come during the night. Today, she chooses complete sobriety and Jesus. I thank-god she turned her life around, is now married, works, has a son.

Sorry for your loss.
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Reading this was like having a bucket of cold water poured over me.

Mike - so sorry for your loss. Very glad to see you have your life in order. I have a good friend who went sober years ago and he still lives with his demons.
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You are the exact problem why I opened this thread, I come from no medical back ground, I am an addict sober since feb 12th 1999..

My exact point is what you just typed...You say relapse is quite common, so prescribe another addicting drug that if mixed with the addicts choice of drug will KILL them.

Buddy, open you eyes to what you just said

Sobriety has a 5% success rate, so you are saying, that 95% of who someone prescibes this for will die


You say that is proven medical practice, I can guarantee you that the only way it is successful would be in a facility, you don't hand an active addict a jar of addicting pills and expect them to take them as prescribed
Hello BlackfinMike,

If jumping down cfamd's throat makes you feel better, go ahead. Sadly, everything he said is true.

I'm very sorry about your niece. If she was a heroin addict she would have to be detox'd. An inpatient setting is best, where drug supervision can be closely monitored. Narcotic withdrawl has severe and significant side effects. Patient's have to be willing to be hospitalized if they are to be safely detoxified. Many patients leave treatment or are unwilling to follow the regimen.

Relapse is the bane of addiction, and can be anticipated with anyone.

Many addicts have coexisting mental diseases like depression that also require treatment. Benzadiazepines have their place. They have been used (very short term use) during detox for quite some time. It is unlikely anyone feels they are a "cure" for heroin use, or a replacement.

Xanax, like all benzo's, are addictive. Methadone and suboxone are also addictive, and they are the common replacement meds for heroin.

Many heroin addicts, (and addicts of other substances) frequently mix their poisons. Alcohol, uppers, downers, are also part of the scourge of addiction.

Your "rant" is understandable. The loss of your niece is a first rate tragedy. cfamd isn't responsible for your loss.
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What is your medical background? Benzodiazepenes are used to curb withdrawal symptoms. The appropriate therapy should be stepped down over a period of time. This is a proven medical practice if done correctly. Im not trying to.argue but it is a fact that you cannot abruptly stop a drug like heroin. What becomes a problem is when the doses aren't decreased. But also keep.in mind that you are talking about an addict and relapse is extremely common.
What is your medical background? You think it's okay for a doctor to write script and give it to known opiate addict? Opiate withdrawl while uncomfortable is very rarely fatal. If she was in a medical detox then you may be able to justify the use of xanax.
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Hello BlackfinMike,

If jumping down cfamd's throat makes you feel better, go ahead. Sadly, everything he said is true.

I'm very sorry about your niece. If she was a heroin addict she would have to be detox'd. An inpatient setting is best, where drug supervision can be closely monitored. Narcotic withdrawl has severe and significant side effects. Patient's have to be willing to be hospitalized if they are to be safely detoxified. Many patients leave treatment or are unwilling to follow the regimen.

Relapse is the bane of addiction, and can be anticipated with anyone.

Many addicts have coexisting mental diseases like depression that also require treatment. Benzadiazepines have their place. They have been used (very short term use) during detox for quite some time. It is unlikely anyone feels they are a "cure" for heroin use, or a replacement.

Xanax, like all benzo's, are addictive. Methadone and suboxone are also addictive, and they are the common replacement meds for heroin.

Many heroin addicts, (and addicts of other substances) frequently mix their poisons. Alcohol, uppers, downers, are also part of the scourge of addiction.

Your "rant" is understandable. The loss of your niece is a first rate tragedy. cfamd isn't responsible for your loss.
I was in no way jumping down cfamd's throat, not in the least....I am sorry if he thinks that

You both have stated something somewhat right, but terribly wrong, it should be administered only in a facility if at all...

And yes, I am saying that ALL the medical field is wrong, if there answer is to hand an active addict a prescription to a possible death sentence to calm the urges for there drug of choice while not in a facility ..

It might sound good for you reading it in a paper or medical journal, but it is NOT real world..I was prescribed Celexa back when I went through what I went through, oh by the way it's non-addicting

I will also like to say Thank you to everyone
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My brother was addicted to pills. Snorted 3 perc 30s a day. I don't think you guys understand how bad detox can be. He is prescribed to soboxine (spelling) and so far so good. Normally methadone is prescribed for heroin addicts and it is also an opiate drug. I knew 3 young kids that died this year from pills. 9 times out of 10 Consoling alone doesn't fix drug addicts, that's why they are prescribed other drugs to wene (spelling) them off other drugs.
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Mike, I'm very sorry for yours and your family's loss. You seem very angry, and that is certainly understandable. But are you as angry at the person who gave / sold you niece the heroin?

If blame is to be laid, there is likely plenty to go around. But be forewarned,... looking for blame may point in some uncomfortable places.

Again, I am very sorry for your loss. It is a tragedy and one I hope to never experience in my family. I hope you find peace.
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