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Old 04-20-2011, 06:33 PM
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Default Expired ID = No Beer....GRRRR

Frustrating experience.

ID expired on Monday....its in the mail....yes I know I should have been on top of it

Just frustrated to go to a bar I was at 2 days ago...get IDed by a new bartender and not be served because my ID expired on Monday.........is there no discretion these days????? I have the letter from the RMV showing I renewed, a social security card, a NH boating license with DOB but nope nothing good enough.....

Guess I have to carry my passport around.....

So aggrivating when the bartender goes "sure I know you are 26 but i can't serve you".....i guess law is the law but come on....what is the place going to get raided????



grrr....oh well..good thing i have a stocked bar
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Are you bragging?

I was offered senior coffee at the Golden Arches when I didn't even qualify for it!
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I have had the same thing happen. Does something happen to your birthdate when the ID expires?
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Apparently your identity expires and your existense ends until your new ID arrives in the mail...
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People are just stupid, and if there is a law on the books that says you have no adult rights if your ID expires then that is even stupider.

I can understand if your driver license expired and you are not permitted to drive until its current. But Its not like you got younger because your ID expired.

Jesus what is happening to society?
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People are just stupid, and if there is a law on the books that says you have no adult rights if your ID expires then that is even stupider.

I can understand if your driver license expired and you are not permitted to drive until its current. But Its not like you got younger because your ID expired.

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Does something happen to your birthdate when the ID expires?

No, you birthday doesn't change, but your valid picture ID becomes invalidafter your birthday. Better check your passport, you attention to detail doesn't bode well for that one, either ...
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Well I will be 49 this October and while I do not look old you can easily see I am way beyond 21

I never carry by wallet, it is a PITA literally , but other night on way home stopped at local convenience store to buy 6 pack of Dos Equis and clerk actually asked for my ID. I frowned and told her it was in the car and she looked and grinned and said ok

But I understand they have a job to do but it does look like common sense could prevail but I guess it can't this day and age
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I haven't been asked for an ID since I was 18 - and the drinking age here has always been 21 (well 18 for a few years of enlightenment in the seventies I think - after I was already 21). An old license and a letter saying you renewed should have been adequate - he was busting your chops - or hey, like you said he was a newbie.....

And, yea, it must be nice to have these "problems"
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That bartender was probably thinking "Hmm- the boss said I need to see a valid drivers license before I sell someone liquor- is my job and this bar's license worth the risk of selling a drink to a guy I don't know who doesn't have a valid license?.........No"

In my town, the scenario you presented to the bartender is one of the classic sting setups the local police use to check up on places with liquor licenses. Only the dumb vendors fall for it.
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Here's one for you..... Last year I was in the same situation, it was my birthday and my license expired that day. New one was in the mail but I was traveling and didn't have it in my possession. Well, midnight rolls around and the bartender refuses to give me another drink because when he had checked my ID several hours before, he had noticed that it was expiring that day. He says "sorry, cant serve you, you no longer have a valid ID". I asked him if he "thought I had gotten younger in the last couple of hours" and after a little chit chat he went ahead and served me, but the whole situation was ridiculous.
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The reason that expired licenses don't work was because of fraud. Prior to turning 21, one of the easier ways to get into someplace, rather than risking purchasing a fake id, was get someone in their mid twenties whose license just expired. They give you their old id and you try to get in with it. They used to be focused on the date and information on the license more than the picture.

Couple that with overzealous enforcement where a DA wants to show everyone how they shut down a facility serving minors, and you can see why this have this foolishness.
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In Florida, it's actually a law that EVERYONE in the bar must have a valid, government issued ID. I used to bartend at some high end clubs and we had to jump through the ATF hoops and they would come in and give us "educational" responsible vendor meetings every 6 months. Basically, they said if you do our meetings and we get no complaints, you'll never see us during regular business hours. They suggested we have someone posted at the door and not to let anyone in the bar without a valid ID, no matter how old they looked. It may be a stupid law, but it's still the law.
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In Florida, it's actually a law that EVERYONE in the bar must have a valid, government issued ID. I used to bartend at some high end clubs and we had to jump through the ATF hoops and they would come in and give us "educational" responsible vendor meetings every 6 months. Basically, they said if you do our meetings and we get no complaints, you'll never see us during regular business hours. They suggested we have someone posted at the door and not to let anyone in the bar without a valid ID, no matter how old they looked. It may be a stupid law, but it's still the law.
Yes a very stupid law. If I'm a bar tender and a guy that is clearly in his 40s walks up for a beer he is getting served. I know it can be tough these days to tell the difference between someone in their late teens and early 20s. But if a dude walks up with gray hair, wrinkles and a beard give him his beer.

And the 21 year old drinking law is stupid in my opinion too. If you're old enough to die for your country you should be old enough to buy a beer. People are going to be responsible (or not) weather they are 17 or 71.

My neighbor for instance, this guy is 40 years old and a huge screw up. Drunk all the time, loud, rude and not one person in the neighborhood likes him. The three kids are the real tragedy though. They don't stand a chance.
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Yes a very stupid law. If I'm a bar tender and a guy that is clearly in his 40s walks up for a beer he is getting served. I know it can be tough these days to tell the difference between someone in their late teens and early 20s. But if a dude walks up with gray hair, wrinkles and a beard give him his beer.
I agree it is stupid, but there is another side to it. When a bar is cited for a violation, there are several things that could happen depending upon their history. They could lose their liquor license, pay a fine, get a citation, a written warning or combination of the penalties. For the sake of this argument. let's just say the bar had been cited for serving a minor for the second time, put on notice they were being watched and that any infraction within 6 months could result in the loss of their license. Serving a person without an valid ID is an infraction and as much as it sucks, the bar has to play by the book to be compliant. Not saying this was the case, but you never know.
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I'm suprised that a " license is in the mail ". In Maryland, when you renew a license or replace a lost license, you go to the MVA, get your picture taken and walk out with the new license.
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Many states allow renewal by the mail. It keeps cost down and frees up DMV offices. Been doing it for years.
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Reading this reminded me of a visit to a wing (Hooters I think) place in Jacksonville. There where 4 of us I was the youngest at 40. We sat down ordered 50 or 75 wings and 2 pictures of beer. Well only 2 of us had ID me not being one of them. I don’t carry a wallet just a money clip with cash and one card. Wallet is normally in the truck but I was making purchases for the company that day and left it in my desk drawer. Wallet is used to simply hold the credit cards. Anyway the waitress said I can only bring 1 picture and 2 glasses because they had the IDs, but I will bring you some water. Very politely I said then cancel the wings and we will go somewhere else. Her response was that she had already put the order in to which I said fine I am not paying for them unless there are 2 pictures and 4 glasses brought to the table. She leaves to get the manager at which point he is simply standing there telling us about the company policy. To which I had the same reply bring the drinks or cancel the food. I understand the policy and will respect but if I can’t get everything I order I don’t want any of it.

A second manager gets involved and uses some common sense and can tell we are all of age so we get our order. I understand valid IDs are needed when a younger crowd walks in, but at my age I am just not used to being asked for ID.
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haha....so stupid that they wouldn't just cancel your order and let you go.
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