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Old 10-21-2010, 05:44 PM   #1
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Default Attention European THT'ers - Lyoness?

To those in Europe; have any of your heard of Lyoness? It is a company/marketing program that offers cash back with every purchase - on every day items. You just have to buy from a "member" retailer. Supposedly it has been very successful in Europe and it is coming to the US. Just curious what the "word" is on it. Anybody?
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That has to be French,
never heard of it however from what I heard the French pionner that principle,
even on supermarkets...

You are a member like at costco,
and then you received cash back,
some charge more for a same item
that it cost on a different store...
they are not giving nothing away its a gimick, a marketing gimick.

They are not giving nothing you already paid for...

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Thanks for the reply, but you state that you have never heard of it, but then state it must be a scam.

I just went to meeting on it. It is not French, it was founded in Austria and apparently it is now in 23 European countries and has over 1.6 million members. It is a shopping network, that is designed to generate cash back on your everyday purchases. You can earn cash back on your purchases, and anyone that you refer to the network you also get cash back from their purchases. There are other ways that you also earn money. I like what I have heard so far and I feel that I am going to take a shot and get in on the ground floor.

I would like to hear more from people that have actually heard of it, or know it. Not people taking a guess that it is a scam. If you have actual knowledge of the negatives, please by all means let me know. I have searched on Google and I have yet to find ANYTHING negative on it, only good things
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"4 ways to make money", "Network", "cash back", "refer other people", "ground floor" , "nothing negative" Yep, its a scam and you just blew $100 bucks
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I did not spend any $$ - so I did not "blow" anything. Do you know what you are talking about, or are you just guessing? If you know - please advise how you know
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Look, I don't know (heard) about that particulary company,
I know plenty of corporations in France and I guess
that rest of Europe operate that way,
is not a scam, its a marketing gimick for the consumer.

"Cooperatives" used to operate on the same principle...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

I never said was a scam, scam is one thing, marketing "gimick" is another...

I want a D90, I go to Best Buy, online or whatever, I look around and buy from the lowest price
I can find, I was born in Europe, sorry I'm not "French" to "associate" with the "mafia" for anything...

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About a year ago I got offerred something that sounds very similiar - I researched and decided it was just another multi level marketing program. My feeling with those is that as soon as they are offerred to "a select few", they have already run their course.

This one could be different, of course.
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That stuff has been around a long time. One of the names was Amway.
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If you would marry Ponzi and Amway that is the way their child would look.
Would that child take father's or mother's life path it's yet to be seen.

Here in Croatia we have Amway and it's not very popular because they are behaving like a financial cult and they don't meet the conditions of legitimate MLM.
But at least with them you can end with a full warehouse of overpriced toothpastes with near expiration date.

But Lyoness is more like Ponzi.
They nominally work with coupons, something you Yanks very much like to cut and use , BUT you have to pay to them that freaking coupons first.
So in reality you paid for your discount in advance.
Also you can resell discount to your friends and they can resell that discount to their friends and that will generate more income for you. All you and your friends have to do is to buy in their "partner stores" and you will earn money from yourself when you spend your money. And from your friends if they spend their money in "partner stores". And your friends will earn money from themselves if they spend money in a "partner stores". And from their friends if they spend their money in "partner stores". And friends of your friends will earn money if they... Anyway i belive that you got the picture by now.
All that you and your friends have to do is give money to Lyoness so you could recruit more of your friends into that pyrami..., I mean that great buisness oportunity.

And when you go on a spending spree you will generate enough money to save world economy.

One could argue that it's not a bad deal if it is one time payment that will give you a lifetime 1% discount.
But is it really so?
You must ask yourself and them some questions:
1) If one is their partner are there any restrictions on duration of that partnership?
2) Lyoness operates in 3 phases, in Croatia they are in a second phase. Second phase means that they are not giving free cashback cards to people who should really generate income with their purchases to the pyramid. If that was the case they would be in phase 3 and still they are not. And they are operating here legally since 24th June 2009 and illegally since mid 2008.
3) You said that a tariff is 100$, to get your bang for cash with 1% cashback you need to spend at their partner stores 10000$, so ask yourself first what their partners sell.
4) In Croatia, to get any cashback from them as holder of a free card (phase 3) first you must do the shopping in value of 1375,39$.
4) And that is just one of many clauses in their contract so CAVEAT EMPTOR.
5) They always talk about rebate but that is misleading because rebate is given to merchants by suppliers of goods, not by merchants to headhunters. If merchants would give rebate to somebody their suppliers would have to give more rebate to them.
6) "But hey they have so colorful presentation with such nice and large numbers followed by $!"
Yeah, right. And your politicians are always telling you the truth and never steal, cheat, lie or kill. Or at least wish some ones death (yes Mrs. Clinton you know that you are in that bunch).
If you are willing to enter in this ordeal I suggest you to seek some free advice from a friend that is economist (if you have one) as well as from your lawyer friend (if you have one) on benefits, risks and downsides of such deal.
It would be even better if your friend is Eric Holder so he could persecute them at once but it seems to me that he has some other things to do like hunting down the journalists.
7) CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

My analysis says that that is not legitimate MLM due to it's low market value of the final service under their conditions and clauses and absence of final costumers/consumers that are only users/beneficiaries of that card. Promisees of phase 3 are null and void and in violation of US law since system is based solely on a "projection of happy future" and since more than 90% of their income is generated through recruiting other members into system.

So Eric Holder, FBI, Homeland Security, where are you? Please help your citizens and protect their assets and money from European scammers!
You know what happened to the world last time when one Austrian was roaming loose around the world.

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Hi there,

My name is Tomasz and I’m Lyoness Business Team member in UK and Poland.
I would like to share some information from this side of the pond.
Lyoness it’s not scam or get reach quick pyramid scheme.
I do have in depth knowledge of settlement system and I can share that with anybody interested with no ties attached.
Some basic info about purchasing of goods and discounts:
1.You can use all online shops after logging to your personal Lyoness Web Office and pay with your debit/credit card and discounts apply as advised by chosen retailer.
2.You can buy vouchers (standard way of shopping with large retailers in each country where Lyoness is starting) and discount applies from moment you paid for vouchers-true you pay in advance for shopping you are going to do tomorrow, next week etc
Terminals are being installed by retailers when they see surge of vouchers being bought by Lyoness members through time.
Sensible people are not that lazy to change $,Ł for voucher and plan their shopping a little bit better if getting discount and retailers after time are realising it will make life easier for both and more customers are coming when terminals are installed where you swipe you card to register you purchase after paying with your debit/credit or cash.
Basic of settlement system:
For example sake Wizz Air (Europen airline) is giving Lyoness customers 9% discount so if I bought ticket on line for $300.00 what happened next:
1%- $3.00 to my personal bank account
0.5%- $1.50 to my recommender bank account
0.5% - $1.50 to his recommender bank account
7% - $21.00 to my internal Lyoness account to create a position ( will explain next)
Position in USA is worth $75.00 and is being created as rest of discounts from my all other shopping reaches $75.00- what this is for ??
To give you back $675.00+more but please don’t forget I would not have any discount at all if I’m not Lyoness member to start with.
So when I get my $675.00 to my bank account ?
When 70 more positions will be behind a first position in binary system (35 up/35 down) created from my own shopping.
It will take time – true.
But what do you have back from the shopping you did 5 years ago ?
What would you do if you will get 9% straight back to your bank account ? You would spend it would you ?
Do you know any bank that will give you $675.00 when you keep $75.00 there for 5 years ?
It’s not get reach quick I have said that before.
But you can make it sooner than your own shopping discounts when you invite other people to benefit from Lyoness.
Yes you get your 0.5% from his/her shopping value but that is not a key its all about positions.
His/her position when created will be joined after yours, you can even place his/her position when first time appear in the settlement system wherever you wish behind any of your position and thereafter all her/his position will be following that position.

It’s always your choice buy with discount or not.
Tell others to buy cheaper or not.
I only have touch on basics there but there is far more to it:
-bonus positions
-conversion of positions
-National settlement system (USA)
-Continental settlement system (North America)
-System Commission
-BC I, BII, BC III

I did have a look at Croatia Lyoness there is only 113 retailers in 4.5 milion population it works there on 5% of what is going to happened.
Hungary population of 10 milion 2977 retailers in Lyoness
Slovakia population of 5.4 milion 1782 retailers in Lyoness
Austria population of 8.2 miliion 2225 retailers in Lyoness
This is only starting properly in Europe when explained to people.

Lyoness has ISO 9001 and TUV certification for its settlement system that would make this first financial pyramid approved – not bad at all.
Do you really think lawyers from companies alike:Live’s,Shell,Vodafone,Hertz,Lee,Dell,C&A and others would agree to be associated with SCAM in all of those countries where they are Lyoness partners ??

The biggest problem is lack or partial information being spread out around a world.

I’m sure US will manage just fine like some other European countries.

I will be more than happy to provide answers.



Regards to all,
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Oh great you have just opened the castle gates to a group of mult-level marketing, kool-aid drinking nut jobs from Europe.

Was ''pitched'' MPB last year by a client. Guy owns a construction company and got sucked into this deal. The one who makes the money in this scam is the first guy in the pyramid.

A pyramid scheme by any other name is still a pyramid scheme!
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Please provide ISO9001 and TUV CERTIFICATE.

Nobody has seen them yet, but feel free to be the first person to show them to us.

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Hi there,

No problem:

ISO 9001:2008 certificate number 09451/1 issued on 30/08/2010
TUV certificate Nr 01 379 102413 issued on 10.09.2010

You can verify above yourself with appropriate certification body.
You can also log to lyoness website look for Cash Back Magazine 03/2010 you can see over there as well.

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Oh great you have just opened the castle gates to a group of mult-level marketing, kool-aid drinking nut jobs from Europe.

Was ''pitched'' MPB last year by a client. Guy owns a construction company and got sucked into this deal. The one who makes the money in this scam is the first guy in the pyramid.

A pyramid scheme by any other name is still a pyramid scheme!

Thank you for your comment.
Let's agree temporary that this is pyramid scheme build on position created from discount from retailers.
So this is not your monies it's a money retailers are willing to pass to customers anyway to build wider and loyal base of customers as that is how it works.
So we all, in the right order (35/35) share this discount given by all retailers to all customers of the Lyoness whilst they doing their every day shopping.

Let's look at 2 scenarios for a moment:

In 2 years time there will be perhaps 10,000 retailers in US and somebody will give you a card with no strings attached so you can do your shopping cheaper and will not tell you a word about how system works would you take and use one to save money ?

Let's have look from retailer perspective:
Wizz Air gave 9% discount to their customers.
If I fly 5 times a year an average ticket cost $200.00 Wizz Air is $90.00 worst off.
But they will give me a card on board on my first flight so I can buy those tickets cheaper and also advise me that card is valid in further 19000 retailers in whole Europe including online shops,will I take one ? Surely I will.And I don't have to pay any extra to get one.

So bit of math: If I can see saving myself I will be using it with Lyoness retailers as I do have a wide choice of retailers, if I will spend in whole year $10,000 Wizz Air will get 0.5% from my shopping what = $500.00 but I flew 5 times what left them with $90.00 worst of but they actually made $410.00 and kept me happy and loyal.

Perhaps this is good example you could show to your friend with his construction company:
-what about if he will give card to his own employees ??
-what about if he will give card to his customers ??

More likely time is not right in US yet to give card to every Dick and Harry as number of retailers is low as you only starting up.

I don't think you friend have made a mistake maybe he understands it's not quick gimmick at all.

Tomasz

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Looks like we have been infiltrated.
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Thank you for your comment.
Let's agree temporary that this is pyramid scheme build on position created from discount from retailers.
So this is not your monies it's a money retailers are willing to pass to customers anyway to build wider and loyal base of customers as that is how it works.
So we all, in the right order (35/35) share this discount given by all retailers to all customers of the Lyoness whilst they doing their every day shopping.

Let's look at 2 scenarios for a moment:

In 2 years time there will be perhaps 10,000 retailers in US and somebody will give you a card with no strings attached so you can do your shopping cheaper and will not tell you a word about how system works would you take and use one to save money ?

Let's have look from retailer perspective:
Wizz Air gave 9% discount to their customers.
If I fly 5 times a year an average ticket cost $200.00 Wizz Air is $90.00 worst off.
But they will give me a card on board on my first flight so I can buy those tickets cheaper and also advise me that card is valid in further 19000 retailers in whole Europe including online shops,will I take one ? Surely I will.And I don't have to pay any extra to get one.

So bit of math: If I can see saving myself I will be using it with Lyoness retailers as I do have a wide choice of retailers, if I will spend in whole year $10,000 Wizz Air will get 0.5% from my shopping what = $500.00 but I flew 5 times what left them with $90.00 worst of but they actually made $410.00 and kept me happy and loyal.

Perhaps this is good example you could show to your friend with his construction company:
-what about if he will give card to his own employees ??
-what about if he will give card to his customers ??

More likely time is not right in US yet to give card to every Dick and Harry as number of retailers is low as you only starting up.

I don't think you friend have made a mistake maybe he understands it's not quick gimmick at all.

Tomasz
We already have credit card companies that give cash back on purchases, frequent flier miles, etc. Why would I pay you or anyone else for the similar deal?

Are you saying there is absolutly NO CHARGE to get one of your ''shopping'' cards?
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Just checked ISO 9001:2008, 09451/1 not existent to my knowledge so I would like to see that certificate in .jpg
TUV Certificate on a TUVdotCOM.com: Geprüfter Preisvorteil ie. Coupons,

Well I guess it is not environmental and health hazard for people to handle coupons,


First of all it is the Pyramid scheme because your presenters tell on a presentation that it is a scheme built upon pyramid, so your presenters openly admit that the base for that kind of job is a pyramid.

Second, there is a freakin pyramid shown on your presentations. If it is rotated 60° counter clockwise around it's center it is still a pyramid, just rotated one.

Third, Wizz Air doesn't have any contract yet with them, at least not in a USA. And even if it would then your cashback would be more like 9$ and not 90$. What in fact is the case with Wizz Air in UK.
And money wouldn't be paid to you until there is a minimum amount for you to be paid. In Croatia it is 13,75$.

Fourth, there is no Shell associated with them, not even in Netherlands. And if it were, more likely it would be some private gas pump owner that has a franchise contract with Shell to use Shell name.

Fifth, let's talk about real money here for the last man in the wagon of "partnership". Last man in that chain, in phase 3, is any partner that has the right to give away free paycash cards to citizens, citizens that have the right on the discount but don't have the right to bring their friends. But these free paycash cards are not free to your partner because for every member he recruit on a free bases he has to pay from his pocket additional 10€. And members of that free paycash card have a limited time when they can use it, before they have to renew it.
So if they don't buy you loose, if they don't renew their paycash card you loose.
And what is the cut for "partner" in that system? For you to repay 10€ from system, holder of a free paycash card would have to spend 1000€ if your cut is 1%, and 2000€ if your cut is 0,5%, just that you could repay cost of creating that card.

Sixth, everyone can buy coupons in Kika if needed, but I don't call myself partner of Kika if I bought their coupons for cash and resold them to my friends.

Seventh, if you can pay with cash, some merchants will give you 10% discount on the spot. And if you don't pay with credit card you could save more then 15% that usually would credit card house take. So if you are solvent you can cut your costs more then 25%.

Eight, you are in breach of US laws as well as you are in breach with Croatian laws. In US for MLM to be legal it has to generate 50%, or more, of income on a free market, as well as it products or services has to be available on a open market to any person willing to buy or use them. Ie, you should immediately give away free paycash cards to any non participant and generate 50% or more of your income from users that benefit from using your discounts. If that final user would have to give you his money then you would be reselling discounts and you would be obligated to issue a receipt.
And then that wouldn't be discount would it?

Ninth: FBI, Eric Holder, Homeland Security at al., it is interesting that you are probably willing to label dog, cat or bird that takes crap on a White House lawn as a terrorist (as long as it is not president's dog, cat or bird since they have presidential protection), but you are not willing to persecute organized criminals that are draining cash with their fraudulent activity from your battered economy.


Lyoness is not legitimate MLM because majority of their income is generated through recruiting of new members, absence of end customers/users, no real market value of their service and misleading presentations.

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Oh great you have just opened the castle gates to a group of mult-level marketing, kool-aid drinking nut jobs from Europe.

Was ''pitched'' MPB last year by a client. Guy owns a construction company and got sucked into this deal. The one who makes the money in this scam is the first guy in the pyramid.

A pyramid scheme by any other name is still a pyramid scheme!

It's payback time , after you exported Ponzi, Amway, CofS and other crap to us.
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We already have credit card companies that give cash back on purchases, frequent flier miles, etc. Why would I pay you or anyone else for the similar deal?

Are you saying there is absolutly NO CHARGE to get one of your ''shopping'' cards?
Hello,

I don’t know credit cards agreement in US but what we face usually here is that:
1.Introductory offers for set period of time.
2.Cup on monies I can get back in a month or whole period of offer.
3.I have to always repay credit card in full otherwise it will not apply and of course interest charge is higher than my cash-back value.

Frequent flyer: own loyalty program are not being shelved here they co-exist, Lyoness card span over all sectors and countries.

Depending of stage of development in each country (1,2,3) you as a shopper are giving card for free with or without condition attached:

-Stage 3 media campaign on going- you can sign via Internet, freephone, in retailer premises- no strings attached.

-Stage 2 gaining new retailers and starting base of customers – minimum combined purchase required of vouchers for chosen retailer/retailers of value $450.00 (discount are taking place with this initial purchase as advised by retailer)
or
$225.00 down payment for future purchases (3 positions of $75.00 will be created in the system).
This can be use at any time for own shopping in a such a way:
- I would like to use my $75.00 for purchase from retailer who is giving 10% discount I will add 90%
- I would like to use my $75.00 if someone gives 5% I will add 95%

I just have commited to do shopping in the future that’s all.

Important thing to know that after using my $75.00 position it does not disappear from the system !! It stays there and the only what is changing is an status from “position created from down payment” to “position created from discounts”.
I hope it does make sense for you it’s not a monies you lost invested only have committed to do shopping.
Obviously when positions are coming behind the one you pre-paid or are being created from your shopping when 35/35 you get your $675.00

It’s a complicated system to start with but knowledge is a key and obviously everybody is making own choices.

- Stage 1 – opening office/legal works etc. You can’t join as a shopper.
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Just checked ISO 9001:2008, 09451/1 not existent to my knowledge so I would like to see that certificate in .jpg
TUV Certificate on a TUVdotCOM.com: Geprüfter Preisvorteil ie. Coupons,

Well I guess it is not environmental and health hazard for people to handle coupons,


First of all it is the Pyramid scheme because your presenters tell on a presentation that it is a scheme built upon pyramid, so your presenters openly admit that the base for that kind of job is a pyramid.

Second, there is a freakin pyramid shown on your presentations. If it is rotated 60° counter clockwise around it's center it is still a pyramid, just rotated one.

Third, Wizz Air doesn't have any contract yet with them, at least not in a USA. And even if it would then your cashback would be more like 9$ and not 90$. What in fact is the case with Wizz Air in UK.
And money wouldn't be paid to you until there is a minimum amount for you to be paid. In Croatia it is 13,75$.

Fourth, there is no Shell associated with them, not even in Netherlands. And if it were, more likely it would be some private gas pump owner that has a franchise contract with Shell to use Shell name.

Fifth, let's talk about real money here for the last man in the wagon of "partnership". Last man in that chain, in phase 3, is any partner that has the right to give away free paycash cards to citizens, citizens that have the right on the discount but don't have the right to bring their friends. But these free paycash cards are not free to your partner because for every member he recruit on a free bases he has to pay from his pocket additional 10€. And members of that free paycash card have a limited time when they can use it, before they have to renew it.
So if they don't buy you loose, if they don't renew their paycash card you loose.
And what is the cut for "partner" in that system? For you to repay 10€ from system, holder of a free paycash card would have to spend 1000€ if your cut is 1%, and 2000€ if your cut is 0,5%, just that you could repay cost of creating that card.

Sixth, everyone can buy coupons in Kika if needed, but I don't call myself partner of Kika if I bought their coupons for cash and resold them to my friends.

Seventh, if you can pay with cash, some merchants will give you 10% discount on the spot. And if you don't pay with credit card you could save more then 15% that usually would credit card house take. So if you are solvent you can cut your costs more then 25%.

Eight, you are in breach of US laws as well as you are in breach with Croatian laws. In US for MLM to be legal it has to generate 50%, or more, of income on a free market, as well as it products or services has to be available on a open market to any person willing to buy or use them. Ie, you should immediately give away free paycash cards to any non participant and generate 50% or more of your income from users that benefit from using your discounts. If that final user would have to give you his money then you would be reselling discounts and you would be obligated to issue a receipt.
And then that wouldn't be discount would it?

Ninth: FBI, Eric Holder, Homeland Security at al., it is interesting that you are probably willing to label dog, cat or bird that takes crap on a White House lawn as a terrorist (as long as it is not president's dog, cat or bird since they have presidential protection), but you are not willing to persecute organized criminals that are draining cash with their fraudulent activity from your battered economy.


Lyoness is not legitimate MLM because majority of their income is generated through recruiting of new members, absence of end customers/users, no real market value of their service and misleading presentations.
Hello there,
Wow, your reply shows how little you know, but kind of normal with people that have a bit of knowledge about it , not much stacks up as you can’t even be bother to look for information available for everybody.

I told you where you can find copy of ISO so don’t be so lazy and look it up.
You have decide not to mentioned that TUV says also on certificate cash back system what cover settlement system, one you don’t know much about at all.
TUV does and they checked it and certified it.
Advised previously where you can find it.
Perhaps you can contact Lyoness office in US and ask for a copy.
Pyramid – of position created from discounts and ???

What about this pyramid :

Business Owner
Manager 1 Manager 2
Supervisor 1 Supervisor 2 Supervisor 3 Supervisor4
Worker1 Worker 2 Worker3 Worker4Worker5Worker6Worker7

What about your pension scheme ??How does it look that structure ?
We are all in it do we like it or not.
3.Wizz Air is a cheap European Airline what makes you think they will fly to US??
Discount is 9% to all Lyoness members in all countries Wizz Air is flying to not $9 ,how did you get to that conclusion ?
It was an example 5flights*$200=$1,000 9% is $90.00 do your maths.

4.Correct every country has minimum value set ie UK Ł9.00,Poland 45.00PLN.
Do you really think a company with 1,6milion active shoppers can make the bank transfers every time purchase is being made ?For free to all users ?
5.Shell – Netherlands only joined about 1 month ago but you don’t know that.
Shell is active partner in Czech Republic for example and below I just paste where is that “single” petrol station from Lyoness Czech Republic.
Its a list of towns with Shell stations so you can make your own presumption how many stations is actualy there.
Tankujte po celé ČR - 178 čerpacích stanic, nyní také pro klienty Lyoness!
Partner Company number: 40692
NAJDETE NÁS: 
Bantice, Bohuňovice, Boskovice, Bořetice, Brno, Bystřice pod Hostýnem, Bílovec, Bořetice, Březová, Cheb, Chomutov, Cínovec, Daskabát, Dobříš, Dolní Dvořiště, Domažlice, Děčín, Frýdek-Místek, Havlíčkův Brod, Havířov, Hlučín, Hodonín, Hora Svatého Šebestiána, Horšovský Týn, Hradec Králové, Hranice na Moravě, Hulín, Hustopeče, Jablonec nad Nisou, Jihlava, Kadaň, Kladno, Kolín, Kralupy nad Vltavou, Kuchařovice u Znojma, Kutná Hora, Letovice, Liberec, Louny, Mikulov, Mladá Boleslav, Mnichovo Hradiště, Most, Mělník, Napajedla, Nový Jičín, Náchod, Olomouc, Opava, Ostrava, Ostroměř, Pardubice, Pelhřimov, Petroviče, Plzeň, Polička, Praha, Prostějov, Písek, Roudnice nad Labem, Rumburk, Sezimovo Ústí, Slaný, Slapy, Staré Město, Starý Hrozenkov, Staříč, Stochov, Studenec, Sušise, Svatá Kateřina, Teplice, Tábor, Třeboň, Třebíč, Třešť, Třinec, Týn nad Vltavou, Valašské Meziříčí, Vestec, Vojtanov, Votice, Vršava, Vsetín, Vysokov, Vysoké Mýto, Vyškov, Vilanec, Zlín, Znojmo, Zábřeh na Moravě, Česká Lípa, České Budějovice, Český Těšín, Říčany, Ústí nad Labem, Šlapanice, Šumperk, Žatec

178 Shell stations to be precise in Czech Republic.

Virtually every country has a fuel supplier some time after initial launch:
OMV,Lukoil,Orlen,Shell,Apple Green, you can look and check.
5.What are you talking about ?
Even person who joined in Phase 3 can sign his own people-fact, it does not cost 10 Euro that’s for sure.
You misunderstanding BusinessTeam members possibilities and them gaining people from 3 Phase as initially they are not recommended by anybody.
I can gain if I want to more “shoppers” after media campaign and its not said anywhere I have to pay 10 Euro for it.
6.Sure you can but what discount will you get ?
Same as Lyoness with their buying power of 1,6milion customers ?
What other vouchers you can buy cheaper than Lyoness, could you let me know please, Lyoness should be buying from you not directly from retailers.
Kika have changed in Slovakia to Terminals now anyway, so this one is out-sorry.
Other Kika stores are following same route in other countries.

7.You are better of, don’t shop with Lyoness hopefully you do have a wide choice of retailers.
Being solvent is not being rewarded here in that way, perhaps is quite common here.
8.I don’t know US laws but if you believe they are in breach of your country regulations I think you should report that.
As your knowledge about Lyoness is limited till date here is where they are hiding:
Lyoness America Inc.
Empire State Building
350 Fifth Avenue
27th Floor
New York,N.Y 10118

9.Frankly I don’t understand what is that all about-sorry

Regards,

Tomasz

I do apologise for any no-proper grammar issues, English is not my first language.

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